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http://www.lynetteabel.org/L-ABEL-Seminar-Appreciate.htm http://www.lynetteabel.org/L-ABEL-Seminar-Appreciate.htm Eli Siegel explains in his great essay "Th

by eksith 13y ago

http://www.lynetteabel.org/L-ABEL-Seminar-Appreciate.htm http://www.lynetteabel.org/L-ABEL-Seminar-Appreciate.htm Eli Siegel explains in his great essay "The Serious Aspect of Snobbery": Snobbery is the unwillingness to like something, unless at the same time it makes one feel more important;... [It] is the inability or lack of desire to appreciate justly.

gambler 13y ago
You using a quote of a quote to launch a personal attack, while explicitly doing the thing that you're accusing me of. That is, you assume that the motivation behind my comment is to feel superior to certain other people by excluding some things from the realm of "good art". Yet your comment explicitly divides people into "snobs" and "not snobs", makes a fairly obvious statement about superiority of one group and hints at the fact that you belong to the other group.
- eksith 13y ago
  >...art of that sort is garbage. There are plenty of people who vehemently defend that garbage, but it doesn't make it any less wasteful use of human time and attention. ...is your opinion. Opinion that as downvoters have noted, is full of snobbery. Not even mildly vindicated snobbery that's tolerated on this forum like picking your religion (I.E. favorite IDE, programming language etc...) which someone could assert with reasonable confidence with anecdotes of personal experience at least; it was wholly devoid of intellectual merit... and was snobbery. That's not a personal attack. I don't know you personally and nor was it an attack. I felt it was merely an observation. But If you took an observation as an attack, then doesn't that speak to the validity of the quote? I don't appreciate a whole swath of what is considered "modern art" either (though I do like Dada, if anything for it's quirkiness that I find interesting). But never have I called someone else's creation of time and effort "garbage" purely due to my lack of appreciation.
  - gambler 13y ago
    it was wholly devoid of intellectual merit... I think the notion that purpose and intent behind art is far more important than the amount of effort involved in its creation has considerable amount of intellectual merit. Even more so considering how unpopular it is. Whether people choose to read the whole comment, or prefer to see "bla, bla, bla, garbage!" is a different matter.
    - eksith 13y ago
      >Whether people choose to read the whole comment, or prefer to see "bla, bla, bla, garbage!" is a different matter. Interesting that you assume we didn't read the rest of the comment. I assure you most of us do prefer to take things in context. It's OK to look up once instead of looking down all the time. Purpose is ancillary to art. Art without purpose and merely is as art has been a cornerstone of creative expression since art has existed. The fact that you prefer to inject purpose behind it now has no bearing whatsoever on what people will consider artistic. You're not the arbiter of worth or taste.

by eksith 13y ago

gambler 13y ago

You using a quote of a quote to launch a personal attack, while explicitly doing the thing that you're accusing me of. That is, you assume that the motivation behind my comment is to feel superior to certain other people by excluding some things from the realm of "good art". Yet your comment explicitly divides people into "snobs" and "not snobs", makes a fairly obvious statement about superiority of one group and hints at the fact that you belong to the other group.

eksith 13y ago
>...art of that sort is garbage. There are plenty of people who vehemently defend that garbage, but it doesn't make it any less wasteful use of human time and attention. ...is your opinion. Opinion that as downvoters have noted, is full of snobbery. Not even mildly vindicated snobbery that's tolerated on this forum like picking your religion (I.E. favorite IDE, programming language etc...) which someone could assert with reasonable confidence with anecdotes of personal experience at least; it was wholly devoid of intellectual merit... and was snobbery. That's not a personal attack. I don't know you personally and nor was it an attack. I felt it was merely an observation. But If you took an observation as an attack, then doesn't that speak to the validity of the quote? I don't appreciate a whole swath of what is considered "modern art" either (though I do like Dada, if anything for it's quirkiness that I find interesting). But never have I called someone else's creation of time and effort "garbage" purely due to my lack of appreciation.
- gambler 13y ago
  it was wholly devoid of intellectual merit... I think the notion that purpose and intent behind art is far more important than the amount of effort involved in its creation has considerable amount of intellectual merit. Even more so considering how unpopular it is. Whether people choose to read the whole comment, or prefer to see "bla, bla, bla, garbage!" is a different matter.
  - eksith 13y ago
    >Whether people choose to read the whole comment, or prefer to see "bla, bla, bla, garbage!" is a different matter. Interesting that you assume we didn't read the rest of the comment. I assure you most of us do prefer to take things in context. It's OK to look up once instead of looking down all the time. Purpose is ancillary to art. Art without purpose and merely is as art has been a cornerstone of creative expression since art has existed. The fact that you prefer to inject purpose behind it now has no bearing whatsoever on what people will consider artistic. You're not the arbiter of worth or taste.