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Wait, what? Yahoo is still part of PRISM. We don't really know how Google, Apple, Dropbox, etc. reacted to attempts by the NSA to be put under PRISM. We only k

by psbp 13y ago

Wait, what? Yahoo is still part of PRISM. We don't really know how Google, Apple, Dropbox, etc. reacted to attempts by the NSA to be put under PRISM. We only know that Microsoft wilfully made it as easy and accessible as possible, but no other company has revealed to be more culpable (or victimized?) than the rest.

bennyg 13y ago
Well, Apple was the last of the bigs to buckle.
- kllrnohj 13y ago
  Apple was probably the last approached as until fairly recently they didn't have any data as their cloud services were categorical failures.
  - SilasX 13y ago
    No data? What about iTunes?
    - mrmekon 13y ago
      If the NSA actually pays any consideration to how the value of their data helps find "terrorists"/criminals, iTunes data is probably not particularly valuable.
      - Osmium 13y ago
        I don't know. Apparently Syria's Assad used iTunes: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/14/assad-itunes-emails-chris-brown http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/14/assad-itunes-ema... I imagine it'd be an easy way of finding the IP addresses of the devices actually being personally used by him (hypothetically speaking).
    - Ntrails 13y ago
      itunes is not the product that would get the NSA salivating - not much of it's data was that useful imo before the phones came out. It's about phones and messaging. When did imessage get released? How long have apple been able to track your location with GPS? How long have you been storing your photos on the cloud (whether or not you realised it) etc etc. Once they had 1-2 of the big tech companies as precedent they really just would have started to go round to anyone they thought might be of interest. Because that is the whole point. Collect everything you can get your grubby mitts on and sort through it later.
ryguytilidie 13y ago
I think it is pretty clear that the person you are responding to is pleased with the progress Yahoo is making. Criticizing them for still being a part of PRISM is not entirely fair as I imagine these companies are all being coerced. To see good news about Yahoo taking an anti prism stance, see someone say "I'm going to use Yahoo products more" and then say what you said seems a bit disingenuous honestly.

by psbp 13y ago

bennyg 13y ago

Well, Apple was the last of the bigs to buckle.

kllrnohj 13y ago
Apple was probably the last approached as until fairly recently they didn't have any data as their cloud services were categorical failures.
- SilasX 13y ago
  No data? What about iTunes?
  - mrmekon 13y ago
    If the NSA actually pays any consideration to how the value of their data helps find "terrorists"/criminals, iTunes data is probably not particularly valuable.
    - Osmium 13y ago
      I don't know. Apparently Syria's Assad used iTunes: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/14/assad-itunes-emails-chris-brown http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/14/assad-itunes-ema... I imagine it'd be an easy way of finding the IP addresses of the devices actually being personally used by him (hypothetically speaking).
  - Ntrails 13y ago
    itunes is not the product that would get the NSA salivating - not much of it's data was that useful imo before the phones came out. It's about phones and messaging. When did imessage get released? How long have apple been able to track your location with GPS? How long have you been storing your photos on the cloud (whether or not you realised it) etc etc. Once they had 1-2 of the big tech companies as precedent they really just would have started to go round to anyone they thought might be of interest. Because that is the whole point. Collect everything you can get your grubby mitts on and sort through it later.

ryguytilidie 13y ago

I think it is pretty clear that the person you are responding to is pleased with the progress Yahoo is making. Criticizing them for still being a part of PRISM is not entirely fair as I imagine these companies are all being coerced. To see good news about Yahoo taking an anti prism stance, see someone say "I'm going to use Yahoo products more" and then say what you said seems a bit disingenuous honestly.