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Yahoo won a right to demonstrate they did resist the government. They did resist, but have lost anyway. So... no. Yahoo is not a NSA-free land.
by rfctr 13y ago
Yahoo won a right to demonstrate they did resist the government. They did resist, but have lost anyway.
So... no. Yahoo is not a NSA-free land.
- pvnick 13y agoNobody on the internet is NSA-free as they're siphoning photons off the fiber optic cables. I choose to give my support to those fighting tooth and nail against the surveillance, and right now the evidence points towards Yahoo doing that better than most. Plus they got a glittery gold star from the EFF!
- rfctr 13y ago> right now the evidence points towards Yahoo doing that better than most I see your point. Still, Yahoo may be just the first to win the right to disclose. Similar decisions may follow towards Google and MS, for example, and -- oh horror -- HN.
- pvnick 13y agoI hope you're right, I may have to reconsider. But honestly I love a good comeback story and have been rooting for Yahoo since Mayer took over.
- unimpressive 13y agoHN is all public messages anyway. There's no private message feature. The only data they have to give is what you've upvoted and your email. (Though that former set of data might be interesting.)
- mjolk 13y agoE-mail comes with some expectation of privacy due to addressing and targeted communication. Hackernews is public content. Apples and oranges.
- rfctr 13y agoYes, on HN is it public (for example) that a user with a nickname "abcdefg" made some statement about cryptography in general and some government projects in particular. What is not public is who is "abcdefg" in the real life? What is their IP, for instance, at time moment T? Under some conditions NSA may be interested and request this information from HN.
- mjolk 13y agoSure, but it's a public forum. Only a naive person has any expectation of long-term anonymity.
- crag 13y agoI agree. Time to take a look at Yahoo and Firefox. Been years.
- barbs 13y agoLook at that giffy glitter!! https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/images_insert/sparklystarnew.gif https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/images_insert/sparkl...
- kllrnohj 13y ago> right now the evidence points towards Yahoo doing that better than most. Evidence still points to Google quite solidly leading in this area. Yahoo has 1 gold star from the EFF, Google has considerably more. Assuming you place any value in glittery gold stars from the EFF, that is.
- motters 13y agoIt's unclear whether Yahoo did fight tooth and nail. They were assimilated into PRISM on 3/12/2008 according to the leaked slide. Other companies (particularly Apple) took longer to undermine and presumably put up more of a fight.
- scott_w 13y agoNot necessarily. Remember that Apple is a hardware company first. They may simply have had nothing of interest to the NSA until more recently.
- jevinskie 13y agoLesser of many evils? What about DDG? How accurately can the NSA track DDG queries that get farmed out to the 3rd party search engines (Bing? and others?)?
- deathhand 13y agoYes all major firms are culpable in this but if their beliefs are in line with mine(We should know what the gov does) then I should support them and use their product.