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> Won't somebody please think of teh menz? Stop it. Feminist bigots like you need everyone to view women as the "true victims" in society, so any discussion of

> Won't somebody please think of teh menz? Stop it. Feminist bigots like you need everyone to view women as the "true victims" in society, so any discussion of men's issues is inevitably and swiftly met with that bullying phrase. Women in the western world have always been among the safest, most privileged people on Earth. Being a man has sucked throughout history, but modern western feminists furiously point to the men at the top of society as evidence that things were worse for women, completely and conveniently ignoring the men at the middle and bottom of society. Predictably, modern western feminists fight tooth and nail to preserve female privilege. Despite their rhetoric, western feminists give hyperagency to men—they try to hold men responsible for the behavior of women. At the extreme, you get posts like this (hopefully satire, but apparently it isn't): http://i.imgur.com/FkVKqJH.png http://i.imgur.com/FkVKqJH.png It's sickening to witness the absurd mental gymnastics western feminists perform to absolve women of all responsibility for their actions and failures, with the blame almost inevitably falling on a man or on men in general. On the flip side, to justify their own existence, western feminists do everything they can to make women feel helpless, scared, and powerless. The western world is a warzone for women, if you listened to their rhetoric. And any potentially empowering advice you give women for avoiding dangerous situations is considered "victim blaming". These attitudes are not only ingrained in our legal system; they're completely ingrained in society at large. If a woman is struggling, men and women (and feminists) eagerly rush to save her and scold the mean men put her in that situation. If a man is struggling, th—WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ?! Why are we even talking about him?!

mistercow 13y ago
>Stop it. Feminist bigots like you need everyone to view women as the "true victims" in society, so any discussion of men's issues is inevitably and swiftly met with that bullying phrase. Do you need to go to the powder room and have a good cry about it? But in all seriousness, no I don't need everyone to view women as victims. That's absurd. I also don't think that there's anything wrong with discussing situations where gender inequality harms men. In fact, I think that it is essential to the larger discussion, because there is often an intrinsic connection between harms to women and men caused by gender prejudice. Would I would like however, is for obscenely privileged morons to stop acting like female privilege is anywhere close to (much less greater than) male privilege. Yes, there are some feminists who disempower women and men alike by treating women as the frail victims of sex-crazed men who are biologically incapable of showing empathy or controlling their emotions. There are feminists who don't consider valid the intersection of sexism and other forms of oppression. There are feminists who accuse trans women of "objectifying" the female body. Fuck all of those people. They're idiots. But reversed stupidity is not intelligence. If someone thinks that all sex is rape, and that same dipwad thinks that male privilege is a problem, that is not evidence that male privilege isn't a problem.
- johnbm 13y ago
  > Do you need to go to the powder room and have a good cry about it? In other words: "I'm going to emasculate you by comparing you to a woman and giving you stereotypically weak female traits like crying. But YOU'RE the one who is a sexist."
  - mistercow 13y ago
    That was deliberate irony. The following sentence started "But in all seriousness," which I hoped might tip off astute readers.
    - johnbm 13y ago
      More astute readers would notice that you didn't actually provide anything to substantiate your arguments other than an 'ironic' ad hominem. Take for example this: http://littlemissgeek.com/about http://littlemissgeek.com/about The image it's painting is rather obvious: women aren't just disadvantaged in technology, they have been falling behind over the last 2 decades. And yet, we find that university gender ratios used to be about 50/50 in 1985, and are now 60/40 skewed in women's favor—that is, 3 women enroll and graduate for every 2 men: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/ccap/files/2012/02/blog-chart1.jpg http://blogs-images.forbes.com/ccap/files/2012/02/blog-chart... Little Miss Geek is by the way Belinda Parmar, who has come out and said specifically she will no longer speak or attend women-only events in tech. But somehow she still fails to see the obvious. "In 1997, Metropolitan Life examined the way boys and girls were treated and concluded that “contrary to the commonly held view that boys are at an advantage over girls in school, girls appear to have an advantage over boys in terms of their future plans, teachers’ expectations, everyday experiences at school, and interactions in the classroom.”[28] You did not read about this study in the media. And it had virtually no impact on the schools. The impact of our belief in women-as-minority? It takes The New York Times almost two decades after women are exceeding men in college to acknowledge it in a significant story.[29] When they do, they devote more space to how the gap creates problems for the female students (“There aren’t many guys to date”[30] ) and how it turns men into dominant oppressors (“[the guys] have their pick of so many women that they have a tendency to become players”).[31] In contrast, articles about men being in the majority at the Citadel, or in the armed services, never mention men as victims because they have few women to date." Here's another juicy nugget: "The Lace Curtain’s power exists even in male-dominated institutions. For example, Dr. Charles McDowell, formerly of the US Air Force’s Office of Special Investigations, discovered that 27% of Air Force women who claimed they had been raped later admitted making false accusations of rape.[12] The admission usually came when they were asked to take a lie detector test. With these admitted false accusations he was able to develop 35 criteria distinguishing false accusations and those known to be genuine. Three independent judges then examined the remainder of the cases. Only if all three reviewers independently concluded the original rape allegations were false did they rank them as “false.” The total of false allegations became 60%." You can read the entire book here: http://web.archive.org/web/20031216215957/http://mndnet.com/archive/f/farrell/farrell_1.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20031216215957/http://mndnet.com/... Note that this is the same Warren Farrell who's been protested as a rape apologist and whose talks feminists have boycotted by pulling a fire alarm and blocking the doors, such as a few months ago at the University of Toronto. Find me a feminist talk being protested in a similar fashion, and then we can talk about male privilege.

mistercow 13y ago

>Stop it. Feminist bigots like you need everyone to view women as the "true victims" in society, so any discussion of men's issues is inevitably and swiftly met with that bullying phrase. Do you need to go to the powder room and have a good cry about it? But in all seriousness, no I don't need everyone to view women as victims. That's absurd. I also don't think that there's anything wrong with discussing situations where gender inequality harms men. In fact, I think that it is essential to the larger discussion, because there is often an intrinsic connection between harms to women and men caused by gender prejudice. Would I would like however, is for obscenely privileged morons to stop acting like female privilege is anywhere close to (much less greater than) male privilege. Yes, there are some feminists who disempower women and men alike by treating women as the frail victims of sex-crazed men who are biologically incapable of showing empathy or controlling their emotions. There are feminists who don't consider valid the intersection of sexism and other forms of oppression. There are feminists who accuse trans women of "objectifying" the female body. Fuck all of those people. They're idiots. But reversed stupidity is not intelligence. If someone thinks that all sex is rape, and that same dipwad thinks that male privilege is a problem, that is not evidence that male privilege isn't a problem.

johnbm 13y ago
> Do you need to go to the powder room and have a good cry about it? In other words: "I'm going to emasculate you by comparing you to a woman and giving you stereotypically weak female traits like crying. But YOU'RE the one who is a sexist."
- mistercow 13y ago
  That was deliberate irony. The following sentence started "But in all seriousness," which I hoped might tip off astute readers.
  - johnbm 13y ago
    More astute readers would notice that you didn't actually provide anything to substantiate your arguments other than an 'ironic' ad hominem. Take for example this: http://littlemissgeek.com/about http://littlemissgeek.com/about The image it's painting is rather obvious: women aren't just disadvantaged in technology, they have been falling behind over the last 2 decades. And yet, we find that university gender ratios used to be about 50/50 in 1985, and are now 60/40 skewed in women's favor—that is, 3 women enroll and graduate for every 2 men: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/ccap/files/2012/02/blog-chart1.jpg http://blogs-images.forbes.com/ccap/files/2012/02/blog-chart... Little Miss Geek is by the way Belinda Parmar, who has come out and said specifically she will no longer speak or attend women-only events in tech. But somehow she still fails to see the obvious. "In 1997, Metropolitan Life examined the way boys and girls were treated and concluded that “contrary to the commonly held view that boys are at an advantage over girls in school, girls appear to have an advantage over boys in terms of their future plans, teachers’ expectations, everyday experiences at school, and interactions in the classroom.”[28] You did not read about this study in the media. And it had virtually no impact on the schools. The impact of our belief in women-as-minority? It takes The New York Times almost two decades after women are exceeding men in college to acknowledge it in a significant story.[29] When they do, they devote more space to how the gap creates problems for the female students (“There aren’t many guys to date”[30] ) and how it turns men into dominant oppressors (“[the guys] have their pick of so many women that they have a tendency to become players”).[31] In contrast, articles about men being in the majority at the Citadel, or in the armed services, never mention men as victims because they have few women to date." Here's another juicy nugget: "The Lace Curtain’s power exists even in male-dominated institutions. For example, Dr. Charles McDowell, formerly of the US Air Force’s Office of Special Investigations, discovered that 27% of Air Force women who claimed they had been raped later admitted making false accusations of rape.[12] The admission usually came when they were asked to take a lie detector test. With these admitted false accusations he was able to develop 35 criteria distinguishing false accusations and those known to be genuine. Three independent judges then examined the remainder of the cases. Only if all three reviewers independently concluded the original rape allegations were false did they rank them as “false.” The total of false allegations became 60%." You can read the entire book here: http://web.archive.org/web/20031216215957/http://mndnet.com/archive/f/farrell/farrell_1.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20031216215957/http://mndnet.com/... Note that this is the same Warren Farrell who's been protested as a rape apologist and whose talks feminists have boycotted by pulling a fire alarm and blocking the doors, such as a few months ago at the University of Toronto. Find me a feminist talk being protested in a similar fashion, and then we can talk about male privilege.