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> Won't somebody please think of teh menz? Do some people not realize how bigoted this sounds?
by dyno12345 13y ago
> Won't somebody please think of teh menz?
Do some people not realize how bigoted this sounds?
- steveklabnik 13y agoThat is the entire point of the phrase.
- papsosouid 13y agoThat makes no sense. People say that so that everyone will see they are bigots and ignore the rest of what they have to say? If people want to be ignored wouldn't they just not bother posting to begin with? The point of the phrase is to belittle people who dare to suggest that men are not some special privileged class of people who spend their time oppressing women.
- steveklabnik 13y ago> People say that so that everyone will see they are bigots and ignore the rest of what they have to say? You have it backwards. It's pointing out that the person you're talking to has said something that's quite silly. Fighting for women's rights doesn't mean you don't care about men, and it doesn't mean that men are universally better off.
- mistercow 13y agoI don't think I've ever seen it put so succinctly, but that is exactly the sentiment.
- dyno12345 13y agoIf that's what you intended perhaps you should find a more respectful way of putting it
- dyno12345 13y ago> Fighting for women's rights doesn't mean you don't care about men How is ridiculing concern for men supposed to express that?
- steveklabnik 13y agoYou're missing context. The phrase is used in instances like this: Person A: "Women have it rough. Patriarchy." Person B: "No, see, [bad thing happened to this guy one time], so there's no possible way there's systemic bias against women." Person A: "Yeah, _what about teh menz?_" Feminists deeply care about men's issues. But they won't tolerate using specific instances of things being bad for men as a means to deny that there is systemic bias against women.
- dyno12345 13y agoI think you're way off. The phrase could be used in such a way, but even in this thread the person to whom this insult was leveled against did not say "there's no possible way there's systemic bias against women" or deny anything about women or anything like it. The way you're using "context" is a hand-waving, straw person, red herring. You should check the context.
- steveklabnik 13y agoI was speaking about the phrase in the abstract, first of all. Second, mistercow discusses the context and the reasons it was said in this thread below, you should take it up with them.
- dyno12345 13y agoI think the phrase is disrespectful in any context and all this talk of context and abstractness and strawpersons thereof are red herrings.
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- dyno12345 13y agoI'm not sure what you mean
- newnewnew 13y agoFeminism is a Marxist ideology, and it is fundamentally about political power. It is not about truth or fairness or anything that it claims to be about. Rather, it is about furthering the political interests of people that believe in feminism and punishing those who do not. It sees the world in terms of class conflict and it is dedicated to seeing the under-class triumph over the "oppressive" uber-class. Consider a closely related group, Marxist anti-racists. They claim to be against racism, yet they reject color-blind policies on the part of government agencies or universities. Why would they do this, if they are truly against racism? It is because they seek power.
- steveklabnik 13y agoFeminism _can_ be Marxist, but it's often not. See for example http://moufawad-paul.blogspot.com/2013/04/10-theses-on-identity-politics.html http://moufawad-paul.blogspot.com/2013/04/10-theses-on-ident...
- newnewnew 13y agoThanks for the laughs. It is fun to watch different kinds of Marxist argue over who is most oppressed :)