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Fixing American laws is a step in the right direction, but it doesn't make me as a non-American feel any more confident about using US-based internet services.
by motters 13y ago
Fixing American laws is a step in the right direction, but it doesn't make me as a non-American feel any more confident about using US-based internet services.
- eli 13y agoAre there any examples of countries that have the means to spy on other countries but choose not to?
- EthanHeilman 13y agoThe US between the years 1929-~1935. The closing of the American Black Chamber to the opening and secret executive permission for the military to break the law and steal communications for "training" purposes.
- mpyne 13y agoWhich led to the famous Henry Stimson quote that "gentlemen do not read each others' mail". Luckily for the U.S., they stopped acting like gentlemen in time for the Battle of Midway.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y agoStimson got over it pretty quickly. http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/06/10/building-americas-secret-surveillance-state/ http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/06/10/building-am...
- EthanHeilman 13y agoIt's the difference between a peace footing and a war footing. The US broke off the lever that switches between the two.
- Daniel_Newby 13y agoNuclear physicists broke off the lever. The intelligence community has been holding things together with duct tape ever since, successfully so far. We should seriously ask whether the NSA is broken before we try fixing it. If a mushroom cloud over Indianapolis is a 10 on the civil liberty infringement scale, many people would rank domestic surveillance as a 0.0001.
- Vivtek 13y agoRight, because nuclear terrorism is what the NSA is looking for. Nice rhetorical posturing there, big guy.
- mpyne 13y agoWell, the threat of a dirty bomb or actual nuclear payload being smuggled into a U.S. city by a terrorist group really is something the NSA is watching for. It's just not the only thing they're watching for.
- Vivtek 13y agoI wish they'd been watching for fraud on the part of the biggest banks, which has done America a lot more damage than a smuggled bomb. Putting it in Indianapolis is rank pandering to the Tea Party, though. Back in 2003, my dad (also in (rural) Indiana) professed to be in fear of Saddam Hussein. I told him at the time that even if Saddam Hussein actually had any way to affect him, he'd never heard of Indiana. And yet it's the heartland running on sheer terror to demand safety instead of their liberty.
- Daniel_Newby 13y agoIndianapolis was the site of a full-dress-rehersal nuclear interdiction field exercise. It is also a literary allusion to a well-known science fiction story in which Indianapolis is sacrificed to an alien nuclear attack. Saddam Hussein could have trivially smashed the economy of Indiana as part of larger dsruptions of the world economy. The actual error is that by 2003 he was utterly deterred. Gulf War I taught him all about staying on his little patch of sand. This discussion contains only the political partisanship you projected onto it. You need to learn that clear strategic analysis often contradicts or supports political dogma by coincidence.
- Jach 13y agoFinland?[1] (I have no idea.) [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uimh2EBB1yQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uimh2EBB1yQ
- rayiner 13y agoIt shouldn't. Our laws aren't designed to protect you.
- sanderjd 13y agoThis is true, but not the full story. Your parent specifically called out his lack confidence in U.S. companies, not in the U.S. government. While I agree that our laws shouldn't necessarily be designed to protect non-citizens, their design preferably shouldn't result in our companies losing access to foreign markets.