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I honestly can't tell if you're trolling. You're asking for evidence... but are apparently not happy with first hand accounts, and classified documents. The a

by dlss 13y ago

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling. You're asking for evidence... but are apparently not happy with first hand accounts, and classified documents. The authenticity has been confirmed -- take for example the senate hearings where the Snowden revealed programs are discussed... or the US government charging him with releasing classified documents (the ones he gave us). You "have a huge problem with the government ignoring the rule of law, especially in regards to treating digital content like it isn't supported by the 4th Amendment" but don't seem to understand how you came to know about these violations of the 4th. Are you trolling us? I'm asking because I honestly don't know. What more evidence are you waiting for? Or you just don't want to get mad until you know everything? /me is so confused right now

ianhawes 13y ago
No, he's not trolling. Nor is he a government plant or right-wing nutjob. He's just someone posting on HN with a legitimate viewpoint not shared by the majority of people here. Regardless, it is a valid point and shouldn't be dismissed so readily. No one is doubting the authenticity of the Prism Powerpoint, however only a handful of slides have been released. And as shocking as first hand accounts are, without any evidence to support them, it's extremely hard to verify or trust.
- grey-area 13y ago
  No one is doubting the authenticity of the Prism Powerpoint, however only a handful of slides have been released. There are clearly more than a few powerpoint slides, one of the very first stories was a warrant for Verizon, and many different docs have been released, FISA court documents, bulk warrants, overviews of several programs from several internal presentations, not just one (what you dismiss as 'powerpoint slides'), NSA inspector general report, GCHQ docs on bugging the G20, GCHQ docs on Tempora etc. What a bizarre assertion. The first hand accounts have been backed up by ex-NSA workers including Binney, Drake and others. How much more evidence do you need before you'd like to debate the real issues instead of talking about how trustworthy Greenwald is? I'm genuinely curious which news sources you've been using, as apparently you have been completely mislead.
dwild 13y ago
Personally I believe him but I also believe that the powerpoint is far from enough. It contains nearly no information about what's Prism except that it exist and keep information from different companies. A good evidence would be an actual use of the system. If I remember correctly, he said in an interview that he could go as far as getting informations about Obama. That is the best evidence you could show.

by dlss 13y ago

ianhawes 13y ago

No, he's not trolling. Nor is he a government plant or right-wing nutjob. He's just someone posting on HN with a legitimate viewpoint not shared by the majority of people here. Regardless, it is a valid point and shouldn't be dismissed so readily. No one is doubting the authenticity of the Prism Powerpoint, however only a handful of slides have been released. And as shocking as first hand accounts are, without any evidence to support them, it's extremely hard to verify or trust.

grey-area 13y ago
No one is doubting the authenticity of the Prism Powerpoint, however only a handful of slides have been released. There are clearly more than a few powerpoint slides, one of the very first stories was a warrant for Verizon, and many different docs have been released, FISA court documents, bulk warrants, overviews of several programs from several internal presentations, not just one (what you dismiss as 'powerpoint slides'), NSA inspector general report, GCHQ docs on bugging the G20, GCHQ docs on Tempora etc. What a bizarre assertion. The first hand accounts have been backed up by ex-NSA workers including Binney, Drake and others. How much more evidence do you need before you'd like to debate the real issues instead of talking about how trustworthy Greenwald is? I'm genuinely curious which news sources you've been using, as apparently you have been completely mislead.

dwild 13y ago

Personally I believe him but I also believe that the powerpoint is far from enough. It contains nearly no information about what's Prism except that it exist and keep information from different companies. A good evidence would be an actual use of the system. If I remember correctly, he said in an interview that he could go as far as getting informations about Obama. That is the best evidence you could show.