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You make a platform really easy to illegaly carry live video and then skirt around the law because if you get caught in the act you nuke the feed. In other wor
by pg 18y ago
You make a platform really easy to illegaly carry live video and then skirt around the law because if you get caught in the act you nuke the feed.
In other words, they do exactly the same thing as every other UGC startup, in every other medium.
- jonknee 18y agoNot really, but even so a bunch of wrongs don't make a right. Also in this case the wrongs make up the vast majority of viewed content. Live video is much harder to police from a content owner's perspective and they know it. The lawyers gotta be out documenting shit during an event. Look what they require to take something down: http://www.justin.tv/user/dmca http://www.justin.tv/user/dmca All that for stuff that a ten year old could tell is stolen. I have no respect for startups that base themselves on theft.
- pg 18y agoNot really Can you be more precise? What are they doing that's different?
- jonknee 18y agoNot every other UGC site relies almost completely on plainly copyrighted content. Examples include: Wikipedia, Flickr, Facebook, Photobucket, WordPress, Yelp, etc. Scribd is a good example of a startup taking the JTV path and I think they are scum too.
- pg 18y agoYou're evading my question, and I think you know it. Let me make it clearer for you. How are JTV's copyright policies any different from those of other UGC sites?
- byrneseyeview 18y agoThere can be identical policies that produce different results. For example, a startup telling you which intersections were best for hailing a cab could have the same TOS as one telling you the best intersections to score drugs; the latter would be more likely to assist in breaking the law.
- usrsbin 18y agoThey knowingly ignore massive copyright infringement. They have negligently let their service be overrun by copyright infringement. The primary use of justintv is for copyright infringement, the UGC content is secondary. Pretending their site is just another average UGC site is intellectually dishonest.
- pg 18y agoThey have exactly the same copyright policy as any other UGC site. They take down infringing stuff when they're told about it. What's intellectually dishonest is to pretend there's such a thing as an "average" UGC site. The others vary enormously in the amount of copyrighted stuff they have on them.
- sayrer 18y ago"They have exactly the same copyright policy as any other UGC site. They take down infringing stuff when they're told about it." Looks like an Everybody Else Is Doing It argument. What makes "the same copyright policy as any other UGC site" morally acceptable? It's easy to read that as "we'll make money from your content until you catch us".
- randallsquared 18y agoAll that for stuff that a ten year old could tell is stolen. I have no respect for startups that base themselves on theft. I guess you're hoping that if you repeat this often enough we'll forget that copyright infringement isn't theft? Sadly, that will work on a fair percentage of folk, which is why I feel it's important to reply with something like this at least some of the time.
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