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"One time setup fee" of the order ~ 100 EUR per server is enough to deter me from setting up and try out the servers/bandwidth/availability claims etc. on an im
by chetanahuja 13y ago
"One time setup fee" of the order ~ 100 EUR per server is enough to deter me from setting up and try out the servers/bandwidth/availability claims etc. on an immediate basis. This fee clearly separates these pretty good prices from Digital Oceans equally good server prices.
- ricardobeat 13y agoMaybe then don't want a lot of people trying out their service for a single month? A higher entry barrier means more predictable usage patterns. A similar "machine" on DO, with 120GB less disk, costs more than 4x as much (245 EUR) and likely has poorer performance due to virtualization overhead.
- rmoriz 13y agoHetzner clearly seems to focus on long term relationships but without long contracts. The longer you're a happy customer the more profit they can make out of a one time hardware expense.
- rodwyer 13y agoI've seen 100% uptime from Hetzner for the 6 months I've been a customer (can't say the same for any of my other servers elsewhere).
- rmoriz 13y agoGerman law provides a 14 days cancellation period. If you're from abroad read the T&C and try asking Hetzner support upfront about that. Also, Hetzner has an auction platform for used servers without setup fee (of course not the latest ssd models yet): http://www.serverbidding.com/ http://www.serverbidding.com/
- chetanahuja 13y agoThanks you. Yours is pretty much the only useful and informative reply in a sea of responses designed to make me feel bad for questioning the magnitude of the setup fee.
- cmer 13y agoThe performance of DO has absolutely nothing to do with a dedicated box.
- chetanahuja 13y agoMaybe. And I'm curious to find out exactly how good the performance and connectivity of these boxes is compared to DO boxes, especially at these attractive prices. But these rather large per-box setup fees are a clear deterrent for a cash-strapped startup to even try things out.
- rmoriz 13y agoI'm a customer of both and the author of two rubygems (one for the Hetzner API, one for the Digitial Ocean API). From my experience Hetzner is 10x faster, more reliable and more professional. e.g. no changes to production APIs without notice, no radical product changes (as seen with NL based vservers at DO) and much more. If you're looking for something in the US, you probably want to go with DO but for Europe only OVH can beat Hetzner (only sometimes). Both offer 1Gbit/s uplinks and direct connection to the largest and most important CIX in Europe (http://de-cix.net/ http://de-cix.net/) Hetzner and OVH are no startups burning money anymore. They make huge profits and are in business for over a decade. They know how to build, operate and scale things efficiently. They will not be gone in a couple of years. They are not as fast in providing "new stuff" (think of OpenStack IaaS/a Cloud Platform like AWs) but I bet this will change, too.
- asb 13y agoWhat happened with the NL based DigitalOcean servers?
- rmoriz 13y agoThey stopped provisioning some of them for a couple of weeks. no word on their status and/or offer page. API calls just failed. Turns out that they ran out of IPv4 space but were not able to communicate that to their customers in a professional manner.
- revelation 13y agoThis is actual, cold hardware that will be provisioned for you if you buy it. I guess thats why there is a setup fee.
- rmoriz 13y agoHetzner pre-provisions systems. If you're a existing customer in good standing and don't have special wishes (e.g. you don't enter something in the "comment" field of the order) your system will be ready in ~5-10 minutes. They build their own PXE setup and assemble the hardware themselves. iirc they have >100.000 physical servers on 2 locations. Each location consists of ~10 buildings like described here: http://www.datacenterpark.de/images/rz_modell.gif http://www.datacenterpark.de/images/rz_modell.gif Here is a screenshot from BING maps (link doesnt work): http://i.imgur.com/6zNvBz1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6zNvBz1.jpg Here are more official details about their data centers: http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Rechenzentren_und_Anbindung/en http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Rechenzentren_und_Anbindung...
- thejosh 13y agoJust purchased this, I'm paying the same price for the same specs with Hetzner, just without SSD. So I copied over my data, then cancelled my old plan. Good deal for the same thing but with SSDs.
- ra 13y agoYeah that's double what they did charge for a 4s setup ($49 euro). I wonder why the increase?
- rmoriz 13y agoThey start with a higher setup fee when new hardware gets introduced and lower the setup fee during the lifetime when hardware gets cheaper.
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- toble 13y agoIn the hosting world, I see set-up fees as a sign of quality, i.e. a service that isn't aiming for the lowest common denominator with free trials and whatever else. They create a hefty barrier to discourage casual users and scammers.
- medde 13y agoDigital Ocean is much more expensive for the same setup...
- bungle 13y agoWhat do you mean equally good? Hetzner seems to give you a much more resources for the same price. Digital Ocean $80/month: 8 GB, 4 Cores, 80GB SSD, 5TB Transfer Hetzner $77/month: 32 GB, 4 Cores Haswell, 2 x 240 GB SSD, 20 TB Transfer I don't see those equally good. And Hetzner gives you physical machine that you can virtualize by yourself, ie. buy one and install for example 4 virtual guests on one box. You could compare it to 4xDO = ~1 x Hetzner.