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This is not a problem of regulation, but of general lack of money and/or agreement of social cost sharing. And some other low cost services are offered to some

by ippisl 13y ago

This is not a problem of regulation, but of general lack of money and/or agreement of social cost sharing. And some other low cost services are offered to some of the poor in India like heart surgeries, artificial ankles, ambulances, eyeglasses, psychiatric services. With some money and growth they could theoretically be offered to everyone in India.

vertex-four 13y ago
> With some money and growth they could theoretically be offered to everyone in India. Do you have any proof that charity is close-to-infinitely scalable and dependable to a point that a society can reasonably depend on it for something as basic a need as healthcare? Or is it that you think that funnelling Government money through a for-profit company to treat people will somehow reduce costs? While it's great that India has managed to get surgeries down to the sub-$1000 mark in many cases, the fact of the matter is that the Indian poor literally live on about a dollar a day, if not less - for an entire family.
- ippisl 13y ago
  I didn't made any argument about public vs private healthcare FINANCING. I simple said they need more money. And i said india is good at low cost healthcare DELIVERY. Financing and delivery are seperate parts and shouldn't be mixed thogheter in such dicsuossions.
longsight 13y ago
How much money, exactly? Healthcare's expensive; it costs time and money to train professionals and develop techniques and drugs, and there's no real measurable payout. Keeping people alive doesn't provide the sort of ROI that markets are interested in. The situation in India is still such that the majority of people cannot afford any significant, additional outgoings in the case of medical emergency. You're therefore implicitly talking about a healthcare system that provides everything you're imagining at zero cost at the point of delivery, which means that the entire cost needs to be taken up elsewhere. In countries where this approach is actually taken, it requires considerable tax income and a relatively wealthy population to provide it, and India simply isn't anywhere near there yet. Assuming you manage to get enough money into healthcare, what then? Solving that particular issue doesn't mean that the level of regulation will be automatically appropriate - it's regulation that determines where the money ends up, and whether you spend everything on extending the lives of those who can afford to pay you back, or broadly improve quality of life for everyone. There are still massive regulatory issues in the Indian system (particularly around safety standards), and the odd interesting advancement doesn't change that - nor is increased spending going to fix it. They're separate issues that need to be tackled in tandem.

by ippisl 13y ago

vertex-four 13y ago

> With some money and growth they could theoretically be offered to everyone in India. Do you have any proof that charity is close-to-infinitely scalable and dependable to a point that a society can reasonably depend on it for something as basic a need as healthcare? Or is it that you think that funnelling Government money through a for-profit company to treat people will somehow reduce costs? While it's great that India has managed to get surgeries down to the sub-$1000 mark in many cases, the fact of the matter is that the Indian poor literally live on about a dollar a day, if not less - for an entire family.

ippisl 13y ago
I didn't made any argument about public vs private healthcare FINANCING. I simple said they need more money. And i said india is good at low cost healthcare DELIVERY. Financing and delivery are seperate parts and shouldn't be mixed thogheter in such dicsuossions.

longsight 13y ago

How much money, exactly? Healthcare's expensive; it costs time and money to train professionals and develop techniques and drugs, and there's no real measurable payout. Keeping people alive doesn't provide the sort of ROI that markets are interested in. The situation in India is still such that the majority of people cannot afford any significant, additional outgoings in the case of medical emergency. You're therefore implicitly talking about a healthcare system that provides everything you're imagining at zero cost at the point of delivery, which means that the entire cost needs to be taken up elsewhere. In countries where this approach is actually taken, it requires considerable tax income and a relatively wealthy population to provide it, and India simply isn't anywhere near there yet. Assuming you manage to get enough money into healthcare, what then? Solving that particular issue doesn't mean that the level of regulation will be automatically appropriate - it's regulation that determines where the money ends up, and whether you spend everything on extending the lives of those who can afford to pay you back, or broadly improve quality of life for everyone. There are still massive regulatory issues in the Indian system (particularly around safety standards), and the odd interesting advancement doesn't change that - nor is increased spending going to fix it. They're separate issues that need to be tackled in tandem.