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Last time I checked reverse engineering forums weren't forbidden by the thought police.

lawnchair_larry 13y ago
He actually has a point, sadly. Visiting a "Jihadist" website, based on some arbitrary definition and interpretation from some cyber freedom fighter in DC, VA, or MD, is enough to get your "metadata" added to their graphs. You think Iranian sites with posts about hacking the US aren't on that list? I don't. It's not enough to get you a visit from the feds or anything, but it's almost certain that any competent intelligence agency is storing anything that touches that website. Whoever posted it likely has links in their social graph to very high value targets.
- cinquemb 13y ago
  It's not enough to get you a visit from the feds or anything, but it's almost certain that any competent intelligence agency is storing anything that touches that website. Whoever posted it likely has links in their social graph to very high value targets. It makes me wonder, if one were to inject an 0x0 iframe with this site on a decently trafficked page (a couple hundred visitors per day) that tends to attract a niche, one could potentially create more noise?
  - natrius 13y ago
    Referer headers would make that sort of thing easy to filter out, so chances are that they're already doing so.
- deleted 13y ago
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- summerdown2 13y ago
  Is this really the point we've reached? Where people with no intention of being a terrorist are bothered about visiting a site because they know everything they do is being observed? If we've reached the point of self censoring behaviour, then we're definitely in the Panopticon. The harder it becomes to break out of our filter bubbles, the more foreigners will look alien, strange and scary :(
  - jeena 13y ago
    Isn't this self censoring one of the main goals of a Orwellian society?
    - achughes 13y ago
      Yes, but to be Orwellian the self-censorship must be borne out of government intimidation. In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone, we were just leaked information. Unless you want to argue that Snowden intentionally leaked the PRISM slides so that society would be intimidated by the governments reach, thus giving way to society censoring itself without them having to publicly punish people that were guilty of thought crimes. But that's getting into Alex Jones territory.
      - jeena 13y ago
        I'm not quite sure about that, people feel quite intimidated when they see how this government treats people like Snowden and Manning. I would argue that the self-censorship is one way to avoid being treated like them.
        achughes 13y ago
        While I agree that the government is trying to intimidate people with their treatment of Snowden and Manning, I think the goals of the intimidating are very different. In these cases the people they are trying to intimidate are potential leakers, not average citizens. The goal is not to promote self-censorship, but keep existing government employees from leaking classified information.
      - monkeynotes 13y ago
        >In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone... I disagree, with the government having the 'you're with us or against us' polarizing attitude since 9/11 along with Gitmo and an official kill list I think the U.S. gov't is pretty intimidating for anyone who doesn't fall into line. Just look at what happened in Boston. A whole city shut down, house to house searches, an unprecedented reaction in the west for a bombing. No where else has that kind of reaction been seen, even in the UK when the IRA was blowing shit up, at no time was a curfew imposed and houses illegally searched by a militarised police. The US is an incredibly intimidating place at times.
- davidw 13y ago
  So a bunch of us boring old HN types clicking on it are just going to make the haystack bigger. Let them add all of us, it'll just make more work for them.
- marshray 13y ago
  You're already in the graph. You can't escape it any more than Kevin Bacon, and you'll go crazy trying.
- melling 13y ago
  You know what's really sad? People whining about the NSA every single day on Hacker News. It's really unbearable. I'm quite sure that the NSA has a filter for people who bad mouth America on hacker sites. I really wouldn't worry too much. You're classified as impotent. Unlikely to do anything more than whine. Let the downvoting begin. What a bunch of losers.
- tome 13y ago
  So link to it from your Facebook and Twitter, encourage its spread, it'll get thousands of visits, and if the government is adding its readers to a list then there will be far more people who end up complaining.
lukejduncan 13y ago
you were checking the non-secret laws
JeremyMorgan 13y ago
not yet.
LordHumungous 13y ago
But that site is written in scary terrorist letters.

He actually has a point, sadly. Visiting a "Jihadist" website, based on some arbitrary definition and interpretation from some cyber freedom fighter in DC, VA, or MD, is enough to get your "metadata" added to their graphs. You think Iranian sites with posts about hacking the US aren't on that list? I don't. It's not enough to get you a visit from the feds or anything, but it's almost certain that any competent intelligence agency is storing anything that touches that website. Whoever posted it likely has links in their social graph to very high value targets.

cinquemb 13y ago
It's not enough to get you a visit from the feds or anything, but it's almost certain that any competent intelligence agency is storing anything that touches that website. Whoever posted it likely has links in their social graph to very high value targets. It makes me wonder, if one were to inject an 0x0 iframe with this site on a decently trafficked page (a couple hundred visitors per day) that tends to attract a niche, one could potentially create more noise?
- natrius 13y ago
  Referer headers would make that sort of thing easy to filter out, so chances are that they're already doing so.
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summerdown2 13y ago
Is this really the point we've reached? Where people with no intention of being a terrorist are bothered about visiting a site because they know everything they do is being observed? If we've reached the point of self censoring behaviour, then we're definitely in the Panopticon. The harder it becomes to break out of our filter bubbles, the more foreigners will look alien, strange and scary :(
- jeena 13y ago
  Isn't this self censoring one of the main goals of a Orwellian society?
  - achughes 13y ago
    Yes, but to be Orwellian the self-censorship must be borne out of government intimidation. In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone, we were just leaked information. Unless you want to argue that Snowden intentionally leaked the PRISM slides so that society would be intimidated by the governments reach, thus giving way to society censoring itself without them having to publicly punish people that were guilty of thought crimes. But that's getting into Alex Jones territory.
    - jeena 13y ago
      I'm not quite sure about that, people feel quite intimidated when they see how this government treats people like Snowden and Manning. I would argue that the self-censorship is one way to avoid being treated like them.
      - achughes 13y ago
        While I agree that the government is trying to intimidate people with their treatment of Snowden and Manning, I think the goals of the intimidating are very different. In these cases the people they are trying to intimidate are potential leakers, not average citizens. The goal is not to promote self-censorship, but keep existing government employees from leaking classified information.
    - monkeynotes 13y ago
      >In this case the government hasn't intimidated anyone... I disagree, with the government having the 'you're with us or against us' polarizing attitude since 9/11 along with Gitmo and an official kill list I think the U.S. gov't is pretty intimidating for anyone who doesn't fall into line. Just look at what happened in Boston. A whole city shut down, house to house searches, an unprecedented reaction in the west for a bombing. No where else has that kind of reaction been seen, even in the UK when the IRA was blowing shit up, at no time was a curfew imposed and houses illegally searched by a militarised police. The US is an incredibly intimidating place at times.
davidw 13y ago
So a bunch of us boring old HN types clicking on it are just going to make the haystack bigger. Let them add all of us, it'll just make more work for them.
marshray 13y ago
You're already in the graph. You can't escape it any more than Kevin Bacon, and you'll go crazy trying.
melling 13y ago
You know what's really sad? People whining about the NSA every single day on Hacker News. It's really unbearable. I'm quite sure that the NSA has a filter for people who bad mouth America on hacker sites. I really wouldn't worry too much. You're classified as impotent. Unlikely to do anything more than whine. Let the downvoting begin. What a bunch of losers.
tome 13y ago
So link to it from your Facebook and Twitter, encourage its spread, it'll get thousands of visits, and if the government is adding its readers to a list then there will be far more people who end up complaining.

lukejduncan 13y ago

you were checking the non-secret laws

JeremyMorgan 13y ago

not yet.

LordHumungous 13y ago

But that site is written in scary terrorist letters.