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>I'll believe it when I see it. Right. And, that's just it. Will we see it? We will continue to have no idea what's going on, unless another Snowden steps up.

>I'll believe it when I see it. Right. And, that's just it. Will we see it? We will continue to have no idea what's going on, unless another Snowden steps up. And one thing we have seen before was push-back on the TIA (Total Information Awareness) program causing its proponents to "reconsider" and Congress to defund it. In other words, stop talking about it and just do it quietly under a million different programs with a million different names. Ironically, this NSA program itself that "Obama is considering ending" was one of the original TIA programs.

rhizome 13y ago
The only thing that was defunded was any program called "TIA." The behavior has continued apace under other names just fine. Thus it was always so, and this is just another "if you can't change the product, change the packaging" non-change from Obama. He's just trying to trick you, because they're going to keep on doing whatever they want to do until people start getting voted out of office in favor of people who won't fund the behavior.
- unclebucknasty 13y ago
  >"until people start getting voted out of office in favor of people who won't fund the behavior" And add to that the fact that we don't have the information we need to make those choices as voters. Remember, the only reason we know about this instance is that someone (Snowden) was willing to take a risk, and he is now considered a criminal for that. Who knows what else is out there and who knows what else is coming (including this, again)? People need to be prosecuted. Beyond that, the entire architecture needs to be dismantled: the "War on Terror" ended and the egregiously overreaching, rights-curtailing government culture it created needs to be rolled back. The security-industrial-military-complex needs to be finally checked as well. We need to roll back the Patriot Act, examine the ethos of a Justice department that works overtime to loosely interpret our Constitution to expand its power, and put this run amok unitary executive theory back in its box.

rhizome 13y ago

The only thing that was defunded was any program called "TIA." The behavior has continued apace under other names just fine. Thus it was always so, and this is just another "if you can't change the product, change the packaging" non-change from Obama. He's just trying to trick you, because they're going to keep on doing whatever they want to do until people start getting voted out of office in favor of people who won't fund the behavior.

unclebucknasty 13y ago
>"until people start getting voted out of office in favor of people who won't fund the behavior" And add to that the fact that we don't have the information we need to make those choices as voters. Remember, the only reason we know about this instance is that someone (Snowden) was willing to take a risk, and he is now considered a criminal for that. Who knows what else is out there and who knows what else is coming (including this, again)? People need to be prosecuted. Beyond that, the entire architecture needs to be dismantled: the "War on Terror" ended and the egregiously overreaching, rights-curtailing government culture it created needs to be rolled back. The security-industrial-military-complex needs to be finally checked as well. We need to roll back the Patriot Act, examine the ethos of a Justice department that works overtime to loosely interpret our Constitution to expand its power, and put this run amok unitary executive theory back in its box.