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>This is true, but it should be noted that gender discrimination is fundamentally related to patriarchy and misogyny. Making faith based statements like that a

>This is true, but it should be noted that gender discrimination is fundamentally related to patriarchy and misogyny. Making faith based statements like that and acting as though they are evidence based is not productive. There is no evidence to support feminist mythology surrounding their redefinition of patriarchy. >In the US lack of "father's rights" is a red herring. No it is not. A system that was equal would begin with shared custody as the default, and a case would need to be made to remove either parent's custody based on their being unfit. A system where men are required to spend considerable time and money fighting to get less custody than women get by default is not equal. The reason men have high success in getting custody when they pursue it is because they almost exclusively pursue it in cases where there is substantial evidence that the mother is grossly unfit. Have a man talk to a custody lawyer while you listen in. They will universally tell you not to bother pursuing custody unless you have proof the mother is an addict or has allowed another man to assault the children frequently. Using selection bias to dismiss valid concerns makes it appear as though you have a vested interest in maintaining inequality. >This because the rates of rape for men overwhelmingly come from prisons and being incarcerated. And those don't count because of what?

pqqqqq 13y ago
> Making faith based statements like that and acting as though they are evidence based is not productive. Cool; how about some evidence for your custody assertions? > There is no evidence to support feminist mythology surrounding their redefinition of patriarchy. Systemic sexism is widely documented. This ranges from pay gaps [1] to harsher views on overweight women vs men [2] to sexual assault [3]. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you objecting to appropriation of the word 'patriarchy'? [1] http://www.oecd.org/social/family/LMF1.5%20Gender%20pay%20gaps%20for%20full%20time%20workers%20-%20updated%20081212.pdf http://www.oecd.org/social/family/LMF1.5%20Gender%20pay%20ga... [2] http://dx.doi.org/10.1108%2F02610150910937916 http://dx.doi.org/10.1108%2F02610150910937916 [3] http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF > And those don't count because of what? Read the next sentence. Male rape is predominantly a the parent isn't saying that male rape victims "don't count".
- papsosouid 13y ago
  >Systemic sexism is widely documented. Oh? >This ranges from pay gaps Which are a deliberately misleading "problem" feminists like to complain about, but which don't actually exist. >harsher views on overweight women vs men Where? You mean personal preferences? Like how short men are viewed harsher than short women? That is not systemic. >to sexual assault Where the actual systemic problem is that the government deliberately misrepresents male rape victims by not counting "forced envelopment" as rape? >Read the next sentence. Male rape is predominantly a the parent isn't saying that male rape victims "don't count". You didn't make their point any clearer.
  - pqqqqq 13y ago
    I accidentally deleted a line when I was typing; I meant to write "Male rape is predominately a result of the way the United States does incarceration and needs to be discussed in that context; the parent isn't saying that male rape victims 'don't count' " Also, you clearly didn't bother to glance over any of the data I provided. You probably should, especially about the extremely well documented gendered pay gap. Denying that such a gap exists when there are mountains of evidence to the contrary only makes you sound ignorant and chauvinistic. I'd still like citations on the male custody and on this 'forced envelopment' business.
    - papsosouid 13y ago
      Yes, I did see your "data". Comparing the average income of all men to the average income of all women does not establish a pay gap. The average of all women works fewer hours than the average of all men, work less demanding jobs, and has less experience. Comparisons of men and women with the same amount of experience, working the same hours, in the same job show there is no difference in pay. I have no idea why you have such a hard time with the FBI rape stats, googling "forced envolpment" would get you what you want: http://www.good.is/posts/the-fbi-expands-its-definition-of-rape-will-we-take-it-seriously-now http://www.good.is/posts/the-fbi-expands-its-definition-of-r...

pqqqqq 13y ago

> Making faith based statements like that and acting as though they are evidence based is not productive. Cool; how about some evidence for your custody assertions? > There is no evidence to support feminist mythology surrounding their redefinition of patriarchy. Systemic sexism is widely documented. This ranges from pay gaps [1] to harsher views on overweight women vs men [2] to sexual assault [3]. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you objecting to appropriation of the word 'patriarchy'? [1] http://www.oecd.org/social/family/LMF1.5%20Gender%20pay%20gaps%20for%20full%20time%20workers%20-%20updated%20081212.pdf http://www.oecd.org/social/family/LMF1.5%20Gender%20pay%20ga... [2] http://dx.doi.org/10.1108%2F02610150910937916 http://dx.doi.org/10.1108%2F02610150910937916 [3] http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF > And those don't count because of what? Read the next sentence. Male rape is predominantly a the parent isn't saying that male rape victims "don't count".

papsosouid 13y ago
>Systemic sexism is widely documented. Oh? >This ranges from pay gaps Which are a deliberately misleading "problem" feminists like to complain about, but which don't actually exist. >harsher views on overweight women vs men Where? You mean personal preferences? Like how short men are viewed harsher than short women? That is not systemic. >to sexual assault Where the actual systemic problem is that the government deliberately misrepresents male rape victims by not counting "forced envelopment" as rape? >Read the next sentence. Male rape is predominantly a the parent isn't saying that male rape victims "don't count". You didn't make their point any clearer.
- pqqqqq 13y ago
  I accidentally deleted a line when I was typing; I meant to write "Male rape is predominately a result of the way the United States does incarceration and needs to be discussed in that context; the parent isn't saying that male rape victims 'don't count' " Also, you clearly didn't bother to glance over any of the data I provided. You probably should, especially about the extremely well documented gendered pay gap. Denying that such a gap exists when there are mountains of evidence to the contrary only makes you sound ignorant and chauvinistic. I'd still like citations on the male custody and on this 'forced envelopment' business.
  - papsosouid 13y ago
    Yes, I did see your "data". Comparing the average income of all men to the average income of all women does not establish a pay gap. The average of all women works fewer hours than the average of all men, work less demanding jobs, and has less experience. Comparisons of men and women with the same amount of experience, working the same hours, in the same job show there is no difference in pay. I have no idea why you have such a hard time with the FBI rape stats, googling "forced envolpment" would get you what you want: http://www.good.is/posts/the-fbi-expands-its-definition-of-rape-will-we-take-it-seriously-now http://www.good.is/posts/the-fbi-expands-its-definition-of-r...