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"The way to do it? Work to change men's attitudes and biases towards women. It can definitely be done" Are you suggesting that as a hobby, a career, or? Who h

by larrys 13y ago

"The way to do it? Work to change men's attitudes and biases towards women. It can definitely be done" Are you suggesting that as a hobby, a career, or? Who has the time or inclination to do that? "It can definitely be done" As a practical matter I would personally worry more about other things than spending time reversing established thought process and bias. Now of course if someone wants to start a movement or a non-profit toward this cause (and somehow be able to earn a living from that) that's fine. Or if they decide this is a cause they believe in and instead of spending leisure time on something else that's fine as well.

bitops 13y ago
I'm suggesting that it be a focus in life - if it's one of your core values and you care about it, you'll naturally take the time and energy to work against it. For example, many people on HN care about privacy and government intrusion. They don't need to be convinced as to why it's important to speak up about the NSA and the US treatment of Edward Snowden. People who care feel it's a personal imperative, so they do something about it. I personally have the time and the inclination. Because it's something I care about. Maybe you don't care about it, that's your personal feeling, so you won't take the time. But I'm sure that there are other things in your life that you care about, and you do invest time in those things. It's absolutely fine not to care about every social cause out there. I don't think we can expect everyone to care about everything. Just pick those things which matter most to you and work to do something about them. As for a movement, there are a few out there that I'm aware of - in particular I am a big fan of the work of Mentors in Violence Prevention (MVP).
- larrys 13y ago
  "It's absolutely fine not to care about every social cause out there." I'm impressed with your reply and the way it is phrased. Not typical for HN (and other places) where you can and do get jumped on because people feel differently or feel you have to care about what they care about or what a crowd thinks is important. Very well put. "But I'm sure that there are other things in your life" This really is one of my core problems with people judging. They don't know the complete picture and focus on one vary small thing and make their judgement from that. For example maybe someone doesn't like recyling (and never recycles) but is free with their time and help in another area that has much greater personal and societal benefits.
gohrt 13y ago
You know that your post itself is a bit of work to change people's attitudes, right? People spend a lot of time communicating. Mutual teaching (gossip, storytelling, etc) is the core of human society.

by larrys 13y ago

bitops 13y ago

I'm suggesting that it be a focus in life - if it's one of your core values and you care about it, you'll naturally take the time and energy to work against it. For example, many people on HN care about privacy and government intrusion. They don't need to be convinced as to why it's important to speak up about the NSA and the US treatment of Edward Snowden. People who care feel it's a personal imperative, so they do something about it. I personally have the time and the inclination. Because it's something I care about. Maybe you don't care about it, that's your personal feeling, so you won't take the time. But I'm sure that there are other things in your life that you care about, and you do invest time in those things. It's absolutely fine not to care about every social cause out there. I don't think we can expect everyone to care about everything. Just pick those things which matter most to you and work to do something about them. As for a movement, there are a few out there that I'm aware of - in particular I am a big fan of the work of Mentors in Violence Prevention (MVP).

larrys 13y ago
"It's absolutely fine not to care about every social cause out there." I'm impressed with your reply and the way it is phrased. Not typical for HN (and other places) where you can and do get jumped on because people feel differently or feel you have to care about what they care about or what a crowd thinks is important. Very well put. "But I'm sure that there are other things in your life" This really is one of my core problems with people judging. They don't know the complete picture and focus on one vary small thing and make their judgement from that. For example maybe someone doesn't like recyling (and never recycles) but is free with their time and help in another area that has much greater personal and societal benefits.

gohrt 13y ago

You know that your post itself is a bit of work to change people's attitudes, right? People spend a lot of time communicating. Mutual teaching (gossip, storytelling, etc) is the core of human society.