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I've managed many developers and I only ever once had to fire one, and it wasn't fast process at all because you first need to prove that they have violated a s

by snorkel 13y ago

I've managed many developers and I only ever once had to fire one, and it wasn't fast process at all because you first need to prove that they have violated a specific and clearly documented standard by which the whole team is held to, otherwise you just invited a wrongful termination suit into your workplace. People are not virtual servers, you can't just tear them down and launch replacements as needed. The key is hire carefully and mentor as needed.

btilly 13y ago
Where are you located? Many programmers on this site are in "at will" states like California and Texas. Meaning that you can be fired at any time for no particular reason. The only time that wrongful termination comes into it is if there is evidence that you had a reason, and that reason is unlawful.
- chollida1 13y ago
  > Many programmers on this site are in "at will" states like California and Texas. Meaning that you can be fired at any time for no particular reason I just happened to be talking to our inhouse council and brought this up. he believes you are incorrect. There is a legal distinction between a layoff and a firing, where layoff is defined as not for cause and firing is for cause. At will permits layoffs as you state. However firings, even in at will states, can still get you into alot of trouble if you don't have paperwork to show that you layed out a performance improvement plan and documented all cases of the behaviour that go the employee fired.
  - btilly 13y ago
    See http://business.ca.gov/StartaBusiness/AdministeringEmployees/EqualEmploymentOpportunityLaws/AtWillEmployment.aspx http://business.ca.gov/StartaBusiness/AdministeringEmployees... for confirmation of what I said, in the way that I said it. Your inhouse council is also correct. Should it come to a lawsuit, it is supposed to be decided in the way that I described. However there is a world of difference between winning the lawsuit, and not having one. The stronger the case that you have made to the ex-employee, the less likely it is that they will find a lawyer who is willing to represent them in a lawsuit.
- sdoowpilihp 13y ago
  Despite California being at will, in order to cover yourself legally, you still need to have a documented history of a persons inability to perform in order to terminate them. If you don't, you are still opening yourself up for a wrongful termination suit.
- macey 13y ago
  you should check out some european termination laws if you want a laugh.

by snorkel 13y ago

btilly 13y ago

Where are you located? Many programmers on this site are in "at will" states like California and Texas. Meaning that you can be fired at any time for no particular reason. The only time that wrongful termination comes into it is if there is evidence that you had a reason, and that reason is unlawful.

chollida1 13y ago
> Many programmers on this site are in "at will" states like California and Texas. Meaning that you can be fired at any time for no particular reason I just happened to be talking to our inhouse council and brought this up. he believes you are incorrect. There is a legal distinction between a layoff and a firing, where layoff is defined as not for cause and firing is for cause. At will permits layoffs as you state. However firings, even in at will states, can still get you into alot of trouble if you don't have paperwork to show that you layed out a performance improvement plan and documented all cases of the behaviour that go the employee fired.
- btilly 13y ago
  See http://business.ca.gov/StartaBusiness/AdministeringEmployees/EqualEmploymentOpportunityLaws/AtWillEmployment.aspx http://business.ca.gov/StartaBusiness/AdministeringEmployees... for confirmation of what I said, in the way that I said it. Your inhouse council is also correct. Should it come to a lawsuit, it is supposed to be decided in the way that I described. However there is a world of difference between winning the lawsuit, and not having one. The stronger the case that you have made to the ex-employee, the less likely it is that they will find a lawyer who is willing to represent them in a lawsuit.
sdoowpilihp 13y ago
Despite California being at will, in order to cover yourself legally, you still need to have a documented history of a persons inability to perform in order to terminate them. If you don't, you are still opening yourself up for a wrongful termination suit.
macey 13y ago
you should check out some european termination laws if you want a laugh.