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If you expect it is possible to find a perfect government on this planet, think again.

by marze 13y ago

tptacek 13y ago
And? Fuck it, let's go live in North Korea?
tome 13y ago
Agreed! So why not side with the liberal West, which is very much the least of many evils, rather than run away to despotic regimes like Russia? [EDIT: I mean side with the West whilst at the same time thoroughly taking them to task for their own rights violations]
- methehack 13y ago
  I think he's 'siding' with anyone that will let him rent an apartment and live like a human being. I'm sure he'd prefer France, but they need to offer and he needs to get out of Russia.
- takluyver 13y ago
  Since he has taken the US to task, it looks like anywhere in the 'liberal West' will probably just lob him back to the US to face whatever the authorities can cook up for him. His point isn't any less valid because he wants to avoid that.
- jellicle 13y ago
  Is there a country in the liberal West that has offered him asylum? If not, how are they "the least of evils", since they will hand him over to the U.S. to be tortured?
- betterunix 13y ago
  The liberal West where laws are enforced by teams of soldiers that conduct armed invasions of civilian homes, threatening bystander's lives, killing their pets, destroying property, and never being held accountable for any of it? The US may be better than Russia when it comes to human rights, but that is not really a strong statement. Snowden has sided with the West. If the government were never embarrassed by its bad behavior, we would keep losing our rights until eventually there was nothing left but tyranny hiding behind a constitutional facade. It would not help anyone for Snowden to return to the USA at this point. He will never have access to classified information again, and in all likelihood he would find himself in solitary confinement until the end of his life.
- grey-area 13y ago
  Rendition

If you expect it is possible to find a perfect government on this planet, think again.

by marze 13y ago

If you expect it is possible to find a perfect government on this planet, think again.

tptacek 13y ago

And? Fuck it, let's go live in North Korea?

tome 13y ago

Agreed! So why not side with the liberal West, which is very much the least of many evils, rather than run away to despotic regimes like Russia? [EDIT: I mean side with the West whilst at the same time thoroughly taking them to task for their own rights violations]

methehack 13y ago
I think he's 'siding' with anyone that will let him rent an apartment and live like a human being. I'm sure he'd prefer France, but they need to offer and he needs to get out of Russia.
takluyver 13y ago
Since he has taken the US to task, it looks like anywhere in the 'liberal West' will probably just lob him back to the US to face whatever the authorities can cook up for him. His point isn't any less valid because he wants to avoid that.
jellicle 13y ago
Is there a country in the liberal West that has offered him asylum? If not, how are they "the least of evils", since they will hand him over to the U.S. to be tortured?
betterunix 13y ago
The liberal West where laws are enforced by teams of soldiers that conduct armed invasions of civilian homes, threatening bystander's lives, killing their pets, destroying property, and never being held accountable for any of it? The US may be better than Russia when it comes to human rights, but that is not really a strong statement. Snowden has sided with the West. If the government were never embarrassed by its bad behavior, we would keep losing our rights until eventually there was nothing left but tyranny hiding behind a constitutional facade. It would not help anyone for Snowden to return to the USA at this point. He will never have access to classified information again, and in all likelihood he would find himself in solitary confinement until the end of his life.
grey-area 13y ago
Rendition