Also worth reading (edit: if you've got an hour to kill and care about the subject): http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c++.moderated/browse_frm/thread/87

Also worth reading (edit: if you've got an hour to kill and care about the subject): http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c++.moderated/browse_frm/thread/870d15c57e831fc5/5868fd6e57f6ae2c http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c++.moderated/brows... The author defends his position pretty coherently and civilly; you can disagree with his conclusions but calling him a troll or an idiot is certainly not warranted.