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Edward Snowden appears at Moscow airport and renews asylum claim

113 points by teawithcarl 13y ago

jgrahamc 13y ago
So, lavabit.com just got a whole load more customers.
- Bjoern 13y ago
  Sorry, I don't follow? Was that mentioned in the article?
  - rhodimus 13y ago
    Snowden's email address at the top of the letter.
    - Bjoern 13y ago
      Thanks, overlooked that.
- mischanix 13y ago
  I imagine the first few people to e-mail that address from the U.S. are going to make some new friends shortly, as well.
- savszymura 13y ago
  >Lavabit will only release private information if legally compelled by the courts in accordance with the United States Constitution. Strange that Snowden decided to choose this one.
  - dmix 13y ago
    I'm curious if his PGP signature was redacted from the email with the cell phone number.
- jlgaddis 13y ago
  I found what appears to be a PGP key of his a few weeks ago: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xe423698a http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&se... I thought about signing it and sending it back to the keyserver but didn't feel like having a discussion with the feds.
teawithcarl 13y ago
Here's this best LIVE BLOG of the breaking news in the Moscow airport -- http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_07_12/Snowden-meets-human-rights-activists-and-lawyers-at-Sheremetyevo-4029/ http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_07_12/Snowden-meets-human-rights...
ChrisAntaki 13y ago
That's cool the airport is letting him stay there. I wonder how his conditions are. Good food, a bed?
- k-mcgrady 13y ago
  I don't think they have much choice. He can't leave with out a passport and technically has entered Russia.
  - ChrisAntaki 13y ago
    Would he need a passport for a flight on a private jet? If so, couldn't Venezuala grant him one?
- Amadou 13y ago
  The international "no man's land" is more than just an airport terminal. You can take a bus to a hotel and still technically not be on russian soil. Here is an article by a CNN reporter who checked it all out personally: http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/world/europe/russia-snowden-goodman-transit/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/world/europe/russia-snowden-go...
throwaway_yy2Di 13y ago
This has to be fake. An email "allegedly" from Snowden with no PGP signature? (edit): And this is suggestive: ed_snowden@lavabit.com -- someone associated this address to some PGP key in 2010 edsnowden@lavabit.com -- no results
- deletes 13y ago
  Who says that is the only letter. It is just one of the many. Also other means of communication/confirmation were possible.
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teawithcarl 13y ago
Here's The Guardian's LIVE BLOG of the Snowden human rights meeting, and subsequent press conference. (excellent) http://guardiannews.com/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu http://guardiannews.com/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-...
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- mark_l_watson 13y ago
  Thanks, that was useful. Interesting that he is asking for asylum again in Russia, stating that he intends no harm to the USA. "No actions I take or plan are meant to harm the US ... I want the US to succeed." Just my personal opinion, but I believe that Snowden did a good service to citizens of my country (USA). The fact that he probably destroyed his own life doing what he thought was necessary is a mitigating factor in breaking the law. I hope he does not get screwed over too badly and eventually has a normal life.
  - teawithcarl 13y ago
    Thanks. Hacker News is censoring me, limiting me to 1-2 posts a day, and quickly flagging all my posts. (This post was flagged also). Notice my comment "posted about" the Guardian LIVE BLOG two hours ago, and yet the LIVE BLOG is only now reaching HN a few minutes ago, by another HN user. That's because HN disallowed my submitting it two hours ago. Keep in mind, I work/research fighting Chinese censorship.
    - phreeza 13y ago
      rate limiting != censorship
      - teawithcarl 13y ago
        To discern the subtle censorship HN is doing, just divide upvotes/minutes on the HN homepage. HN may have decided that "Snowden news" is not hacker news. Definitely, articles are getting flagged.
deletes 13y ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-PPaVCEAAlIKH.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-PPaVCEAAlIKH.jpg:large Picture from the airport 15 min ago. Is Snowden in the middle?
xxchan 13y ago
I find it disconcerting that a significant portion of those invited are simply "too busy" to attend. Wouldn't you WANT human rights activists to stir trouble instead of avoiding it?
- staz 13y ago
  I also find it a bit strange than a Human Right Activist would just put the letter on her frigging facebook wall
  - antocv 13y ago
    With his email, thank you, now commence the spamming by NSA. What is this 1999, when 99% of the people seem to be computer illiterate? On her facebook wall she posts his email and letter in full!? Well, seems we are at the point of frictionless sharing, let the hacking begin people - nothing is secret, no respect for anyones privacy!
- eli 13y ago
  It is perhaps a polite way of saying they do not wish to be a part of it? And no, I don't think human rights activists goal should be to cause the most trouble.

113 points by teawithcarl 13y ago

jgrahamc 13y ago

So, lavabit.com just got a whole load more customers.

Bjoern 13y ago
Sorry, I don't follow? Was that mentioned in the article?
- rhodimus 13y ago
  Snowden's email address at the top of the letter.
  - Bjoern 13y ago
    Thanks, overlooked that.
mischanix 13y ago
I imagine the first few people to e-mail that address from the U.S. are going to make some new friends shortly, as well.
savszymura 13y ago
>Lavabit will only release private information if legally compelled by the courts in accordance with the United States Constitution. Strange that Snowden decided to choose this one.
- dmix 13y ago
  I'm curious if his PGP signature was redacted from the email with the cell phone number.
jlgaddis 13y ago
I found what appears to be a PGP key of his a few weeks ago: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xe423698a http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&se... I thought about signing it and sending it back to the keyserver but didn't feel like having a discussion with the feds.

teawithcarl 13y ago

Here's this best LIVE BLOG of the breaking news in the Moscow airport -- http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_07_12/Snowden-meets-human-rights-activists-and-lawyers-at-Sheremetyevo-4029/ http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_07_12/Snowden-meets-human-rights...

ChrisAntaki 13y ago

That's cool the airport is letting him stay there. I wonder how his conditions are. Good food, a bed?

k-mcgrady 13y ago
I don't think they have much choice. He can't leave with out a passport and technically has entered Russia.
- ChrisAntaki 13y ago
  Would he need a passport for a flight on a private jet? If so, couldn't Venezuala grant him one?
Amadou 13y ago
The international "no man's land" is more than just an airport terminal. You can take a bus to a hotel and still technically not be on russian soil. Here is an article by a CNN reporter who checked it all out personally: http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/world/europe/russia-snowden-goodman-transit/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/world/europe/russia-snowden-go...

throwaway_yy2Di 13y ago

This has to be fake. An email "allegedly" from Snowden with no PGP signature? (edit): And this is suggestive: ed_snowden@lavabit.com -- someone associated this address to some PGP key in 2010 edsnowden@lavabit.com -- no results

deletes 13y ago
Who says that is the only letter. It is just one of the many. Also other means of communication/confirmation were possible.

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teawithcarl 13y ago

Here's The Guardian's LIVE BLOG of the Snowden human rights meeting, and subsequent press conference. (excellent) http://guardiannews.com/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag?CMP=twt_gu http://guardiannews.com/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-...

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mark_l_watson 13y ago
Thanks, that was useful. Interesting that he is asking for asylum again in Russia, stating that he intends no harm to the USA. "No actions I take or plan are meant to harm the US ... I want the US to succeed." Just my personal opinion, but I believe that Snowden did a good service to citizens of my country (USA). The fact that he probably destroyed his own life doing what he thought was necessary is a mitigating factor in breaking the law. I hope he does not get screwed over too badly and eventually has a normal life.
- teawithcarl 13y ago
  Thanks. Hacker News is censoring me, limiting me to 1-2 posts a day, and quickly flagging all my posts. (This post was flagged also). Notice my comment "posted about" the Guardian LIVE BLOG two hours ago, and yet the LIVE BLOG is only now reaching HN a few minutes ago, by another HN user. That's because HN disallowed my submitting it two hours ago. Keep in mind, I work/research fighting Chinese censorship.
  - phreeza 13y ago
    rate limiting != censorship
    - teawithcarl 13y ago
      To discern the subtle censorship HN is doing, just divide upvotes/minutes on the HN homepage. HN may have decided that "Snowden news" is not hacker news. Definitely, articles are getting flagged.

deletes 13y ago

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-PPaVCEAAlIKH.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-PPaVCEAAlIKH.jpg:large Picture from the airport 15 min ago. Is Snowden in the middle?

xxchan 13y ago

I find it disconcerting that a significant portion of those invited are simply "too busy" to attend. Wouldn't you WANT human rights activists to stir trouble instead of avoiding it?

staz 13y ago
I also find it a bit strange than a Human Right Activist would just put the letter on her frigging facebook wall
- antocv 13y ago
  With his email, thank you, now commence the spamming by NSA. What is this 1999, when 99% of the people seem to be computer illiterate? On her facebook wall she posts his email and letter in full!? Well, seems we are at the point of frictionless sharing, let the hacking begin people - nothing is secret, no respect for anyones privacy!
eli 13y ago
It is perhaps a polite way of saying they do not wish to be a part of it? And no, I don't think human rights activists goal should be to cause the most trouble.