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This is what I kind of think when I have to use a mac (mostly due to my experience with them at school), don't get me wrong some things are really nice about th

by buugs 17y ago

This is what I kind of think when I have to use a mac (mostly due to my experience with them at school), don't get me wrong some things are really nice about them but the majority of the people who use them really just use them for the cool factor and couldn't even be bothered to know that there is a terminal with functionality underneath. I don't think I will ever buy a mac unless one day the computer hardware is comparable to what I would get at the same price building it myself or buying a preinstalled windows or linux laptop, but I'm cheap and like my 500 dollar laptop from 2006.

axod 17y ago
>> "the majority of the people who use them really just use them for the cool factor and couldn't even be bothered to know that there is a terminal with functionality underneath." Where do you get that idea from? I'd bet that everyone on here who uses a mac, uses the terminal on a daily basis. It's linux without the hassle - a paradise for hackers. If you spend a lot of your life on a laptop, then buying cheap is a bad idea. It's a false economy. It's funny when people moan that Apple are expensive. All laptops are ridiculously cheap when you consider what they enable you to do. They last 2-3 years, and over that time you could have used one to build an entire company. Might as well buy a good one.
- mpk 17y ago
  > It's linux without the hassle - a paradise for hackers. Oh please, just because you enjoy the pain of maintaining a second userland on your system doesn't mean we all suffer from that particular affliction. For me it's OSX that's agony to use whereas linux is totally hassle-free.
  - axod 17y ago
    Some enjoy mending everything when some linux dev decides to change to devfs or gcc version etc. I don't. Likewise when updates overwrite config files. It's not fun on a desktop machine. Been there, done that. Wasn't a productive use of my time.
  - enneff 17y ago
    It really depends which hassle you're referring to. All platforms have their issues. I use Linux on my desk at work because all I need there are terminals and a browser. I bought a MacBook because I need to use Photoshop and Reason on the go whilst still having a posix base (and it was a great deal, too). On my deskat home I have a souped-up PC running Windows 7 and a beefy FreeBSD server, so I can do all of the above. All platforms annoy me regularly, sadly.
    - axod 17y ago
      * OSX - Desktop PCs * Linux - Servers * Windows - For testing things in IE They all excel at those tasks. Use the right tool for the job and all that ;)
  - kenver 17y ago
    I spent nearly a day messing about with X the other week when I upgraded my Ubuntu install. I really enjoy using Linux, but things like that annoy me. When I'm at home I prefer to do work stuff on my mac, it feels nice, and it provides me the same abilities I have when I'm sat on my Linux machine, but without the 50/50 chance it's all going to go wrong if I change a setting. Everyone here must spend hours at their computer every day, a few quid extra on a nice machine is definitely worth it for me to make that experience better. For me, using both is no more hassle than just using Linux.
  - tlrobinson 17y ago
    I think OS X is "hassle-free" for the things that matter most in a desktop computer. Just today I had to spend 15 minutes searching Google, diving into configuration files, restarting Linux to disable the !@#$ing screensaver that came with this distro. A power user like myself should never have to spend 15 minutes doing something as trivial as that. I'm not really sure what you mean by "maintaining a second userland". All the standard command line tools live in the usual /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin and sbin variants. "/Applications" contains OS X GUI applications, "/Users/username" is your standard home directory (albeit an unconventional path), "/System" and "/Library" should rarely be touched by anything except the system updater and OS X application installers. Integration between the OSXish bits and UNIXy bits is excellent. Drag directories to Terminal.app to get the path, type "pbpaste"/"pbcopy" to access the clipboard, type "open" to open files in OS X apps from the command line, and much more: http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/whatismacosx//tools.html http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/whatismacosx//tools.ht...
- buugs 17y ago
  If you think the majority of OSX users hare hackers and technical people you are very mistaken.

by buugs 17y ago

axod 17y ago

>> "the majority of the people who use them really just use them for the cool factor and couldn't even be bothered to know that there is a terminal with functionality underneath." Where do you get that idea from? I'd bet that everyone on here who uses a mac, uses the terminal on a daily basis. It's linux without the hassle - a paradise for hackers. If you spend a lot of your life on a laptop, then buying cheap is a bad idea. It's a false economy. It's funny when people moan that Apple are expensive. All laptops are ridiculously cheap when you consider what they enable you to do. They last 2-3 years, and over that time you could have used one to build an entire company. Might as well buy a good one.

mpk 17y ago
> It's linux without the hassle - a paradise for hackers. Oh please, just because you enjoy the pain of maintaining a second userland on your system doesn't mean we all suffer from that particular affliction. For me it's OSX that's agony to use whereas linux is totally hassle-free.
- axod 17y ago
  Some enjoy mending everything when some linux dev decides to change to devfs or gcc version etc. I don't. Likewise when updates overwrite config files. It's not fun on a desktop machine. Been there, done that. Wasn't a productive use of my time.
- enneff 17y ago
  It really depends which hassle you're referring to. All platforms have their issues. I use Linux on my desk at work because all I need there are terminals and a browser. I bought a MacBook because I need to use Photoshop and Reason on the go whilst still having a posix base (and it was a great deal, too). On my deskat home I have a souped-up PC running Windows 7 and a beefy FreeBSD server, so I can do all of the above. All platforms annoy me regularly, sadly.
  - axod 17y ago
    * OSX - Desktop PCs * Linux - Servers * Windows - For testing things in IE They all excel at those tasks. Use the right tool for the job and all that ;)
- kenver 17y ago
  I spent nearly a day messing about with X the other week when I upgraded my Ubuntu install. I really enjoy using Linux, but things like that annoy me. When I'm at home I prefer to do work stuff on my mac, it feels nice, and it provides me the same abilities I have when I'm sat on my Linux machine, but without the 50/50 chance it's all going to go wrong if I change a setting. Everyone here must spend hours at their computer every day, a few quid extra on a nice machine is definitely worth it for me to make that experience better. For me, using both is no more hassle than just using Linux.
- tlrobinson 17y ago
  I think OS X is "hassle-free" for the things that matter most in a desktop computer. Just today I had to spend 15 minutes searching Google, diving into configuration files, restarting Linux to disable the !@#$ing screensaver that came with this distro. A power user like myself should never have to spend 15 minutes doing something as trivial as that. I'm not really sure what you mean by "maintaining a second userland". All the standard command line tools live in the usual /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin and sbin variants. "/Applications" contains OS X GUI applications, "/Users/username" is your standard home directory (albeit an unconventional path), "/System" and "/Library" should rarely be touched by anything except the system updater and OS X application installers. Integration between the OSXish bits and UNIXy bits is excellent. Drag directories to Terminal.app to get the path, type "pbpaste"/"pbcopy" to access the clipboard, type "open" to open files in OS X apps from the command line, and much more: http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/whatismacosx//tools.html http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/whatismacosx//tools.ht...
buugs 17y ago
If you think the majority of OSX users hare hackers and technical people you are very mistaken.