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But why is it dangerous, on balance, to make assumptions of causality from data and statistics alone? Animals, such as rats and ravens, face this problem all t

But why is it dangerous, on balance, to make assumptions of causality from data and statistics alone? Animals, such as rats and ravens, face this problem all the time, and yet they can meaningfully effect the world in such manner that would imply causal understanding, and a sensitivity towards the difference between mere correlation or a correlation with causal potential. Humans do the same as well, naive people who have never learned about experimental design, or have never learned the concept of correlation, also make useful judgments on the causal model behind ordinary problems and events. How did these machines make actionable judgments on causality with nothing more than noisy inputs to their sensory systems? Through what technique did they discern the difference between mere correlation, and a correlation with exploitable causality?

SagelyGuru 13y ago
It is probably the ability to make the abstract jump from the data and its correlations to generalised laws that marks the chief difference between people on one hand and animals and machines on the other. Correlation is only useful up to a point. It shows that there may be some relationship between the variables but it says nothing about its nature. Was X caused by Y or was Y caused by X or were X,Y both caused by some unknown Z, was it all just an accidental data sample, was it significant, with how much doubt? Does the assigned significance in fact rely on an unwarranted assumption of some underlying population distribution? Just too many questions and no answers. Besides, causality is problematic enough (see non-aristotelian philosophies and/or quantum mechanics) even without trying to demonstrate it with statistics.
radarsat1 13y ago
> naive people who have never learned about experimental design, or have never learned the concept of correlation, also make useful judgments on the causal model behind ordinary problems and events. They also are often... racist. Or hold whatever other stereotypes to heart. Racism is just a good example of an extreme position to hold which is often due to assumptions of causality. "Lots of minorities are in prison. There is a high correlation between being a minority and being in prison. Therefore being a minority leads to being a criminal." This completely ignores external reasons why minorities might end up in prison more often than others. For instance, it could be that minorities have an equal amount of criminal activity as the general population, but are more likely to end up in prison because of it. Correlation does not imply causation. I think the number of social issues that arise due to assumptions of causation is quite high, actually, and often leads to poor decision making in policy. That is why it is "dangerous."
czr80 13y ago
"Through what technique did they discern the difference between mere correlation, and a correlation with exploitable causality?" Evolution - that is, assumptions that are accurate are favoured since they are more likely to lead to the animal surviving, vs embracing spurious correlations which are likely to get you killed. Of course, this can break down if we try to apply the cognitive rules of thumb we've evolved to new domains outside our original evolutionary scope - our difficulties in thinking about statistics and probability are a great example of this. The math is trivial, but it just doesn't fit our brains very well without a great deal of cultural scaffolding.
josephlord 13y ago
> But why is it dangerous, on balance, to make assumptions of causality from data and statistics alone? Well it all depends on the actions you take based upon those assumptions. If the action is low risk, low cost then it may be the wise choice. You need to remain aware of the uncertainty and that you are basically guessing until a better understanding is achieved. One of the dangers is that initial uncertainty is forgotten and wrong information becomes "common knowledge". Another danger is where there is there actually is causation but running the opposite way to that assumed. For example if a chemical substance is a useful form of self medication for sufferers of a condition there may be a correlation between the use of the chemical and the condition but banning/withdrawing/warning about the chemical would actually worsen the situation.

SagelyGuru 13y ago

It is probably the ability to make the abstract jump from the data and its correlations to generalised laws that marks the chief difference between people on one hand and animals and machines on the other. Correlation is only useful up to a point. It shows that there may be some relationship between the variables but it says nothing about its nature. Was X caused by Y or was Y caused by X or were X,Y both caused by some unknown Z, was it all just an accidental data sample, was it significant, with how much doubt? Does the assigned significance in fact rely on an unwarranted assumption of some underlying population distribution? Just too many questions and no answers. Besides, causality is problematic enough (see non-aristotelian philosophies and/or quantum mechanics) even without trying to demonstrate it with statistics.

radarsat1 13y ago

> naive people who have never learned about experimental design, or have never learned the concept of correlation, also make useful judgments on the causal model behind ordinary problems and events. They also are often... racist. Or hold whatever other stereotypes to heart. Racism is just a good example of an extreme position to hold which is often due to assumptions of causality. "Lots of minorities are in prison. There is a high correlation between being a minority and being in prison. Therefore being a minority leads to being a criminal." This completely ignores external reasons why minorities might end up in prison more often than others. For instance, it could be that minorities have an equal amount of criminal activity as the general population, but are more likely to end up in prison because of it. Correlation does not imply causation. I think the number of social issues that arise due to assumptions of causation is quite high, actually, and often leads to poor decision making in policy. That is why it is "dangerous."

czr80 13y ago

"Through what technique did they discern the difference between mere correlation, and a correlation with exploitable causality?" Evolution - that is, assumptions that are accurate are favoured since they are more likely to lead to the animal surviving, vs embracing spurious correlations which are likely to get you killed. Of course, this can break down if we try to apply the cognitive rules of thumb we've evolved to new domains outside our original evolutionary scope - our difficulties in thinking about statistics and probability are a great example of this. The math is trivial, but it just doesn't fit our brains very well without a great deal of cultural scaffolding.

josephlord 13y ago

> But why is it dangerous, on balance, to make assumptions of causality from data and statistics alone? Well it all depends on the actions you take based upon those assumptions. If the action is low risk, low cost then it may be the wise choice. You need to remain aware of the uncertainty and that you are basically guessing until a better understanding is achieved. One of the dangers is that initial uncertainty is forgotten and wrong information becomes "common knowledge". Another danger is where there is there actually is causation but running the opposite way to that assumed. For example if a chemical substance is a useful form of self medication for sufferers of a condition there may be a correlation between the use of the chemical and the condition but banning/withdrawing/warning about the chemical would actually worsen the situation.