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I've dropped Fedora and switched to Debian stable in anticipation of avoiding Wayland/Mir for as many years as possible. I'm not worried about fragmentation, I

by jlgreco 13y ago

I've dropped Fedora and switched to Debian stable in anticipation of avoiding Wayland/Mir for as many years as possible. I'm not worried about fragmentation, I'm just tired of being an early adopter.

ludoo 13y ago
+1
chris_wot 13y ago
I must be missing something. My understanding is that they implement the X protocol via a wrapper layer. Aside from a display manager/compositor, what is going to fragment?
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Well now there is Mir, Wayland, and X, instead of just X. Just right there you now have three codebases instead of one, so that is fragmentation in itself. Is it harmful fragmentation? I think that remains to be seen. I'm not worried about fragmentation though. My position is that currently X "Just Works" for me and I am not willing to sacrifice this stability so that I can test out the pet projects of a bunch of Red Hat and Canonical employees. I figure I have at least 3 years, hopefully 5, before I will be forced to switch. (3 years left on wheezy, and hopefully 2 more years with jessie assuming X is still the default and viable). 3-5 years to let them work out all of the kinks? Yes please, I'll take that. The dust sure as hell better be settled by 2018.
  - bkor 13y ago
    A lot of the Wayland developers are X developers. It basically is X12, just that calling it X results in a lot of unneeded steps (loads of people will have a say into the spec, etc). Daniel Stone explained this in a video.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      Whatever it is, I want nothing to do with it until everyone else has had and solved the problems.
    - D9u 13y ago
      X, Wayland, and now Mir. The very fact that there are now 3 divergent display managers is indicative of that fragmentation we're talking about here.
- D9u 13y ago
  The fragmentation I refer to is illustrated by the numbers of variants seen on sites such as distrowatch. I believe that a previous poster commented about 300, or so, different distros based upon 4 base systems. We already have multiple mutations of the various operating systems, and now we've got another display manager to debug?

by jlgreco 13y ago

I've dropped Fedora and switched to Debian stable in anticipation of avoiding Wayland/Mir for as many years as possible. I'm not worried about fragmentation, I'm just tired of being an early adopter.

ludoo 13y ago

chris_wot 13y ago

I must be missing something. My understanding is that they implement the X protocol via a wrapper layer. Aside from a display manager/compositor, what is going to fragment?

jlgreco 13y ago
Well now there is Mir, Wayland, and X, instead of just X. Just right there you now have three codebases instead of one, so that is fragmentation in itself. Is it harmful fragmentation? I think that remains to be seen. I'm not worried about fragmentation though. My position is that currently X "Just Works" for me and I am not willing to sacrifice this stability so that I can test out the pet projects of a bunch of Red Hat and Canonical employees. I figure I have at least 3 years, hopefully 5, before I will be forced to switch. (3 years left on wheezy, and hopefully 2 more years with jessie assuming X is still the default and viable). 3-5 years to let them work out all of the kinks? Yes please, I'll take that. The dust sure as hell better be settled by 2018.
- bkor 13y ago
  A lot of the Wayland developers are X developers. It basically is X12, just that calling it X results in a lot of unneeded steps (loads of people will have a say into the spec, etc). Daniel Stone explained this in a video.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Whatever it is, I want nothing to do with it until everyone else has had and solved the problems.
  - D9u 13y ago
    X, Wayland, and now Mir. The very fact that there are now 3 divergent display managers is indicative of that fragmentation we're talking about here.
D9u 13y ago
The fragmentation I refer to is illustrated by the numbers of variants seen on sites such as distrowatch. I believe that a previous poster commented about 300, or so, different distros based upon 4 base systems. We already have multiple mutations of the various operating systems, and now we've got another display manager to debug?