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Agree with you. How does one enforce people hopping borders from places that have no universal income policy? How do we deal with sovereign states that are allo

Agree with you. How does one enforce people hopping borders from places that have no universal income policy? How do we deal with sovereign states that are allowed to set their own tax policy and thus legally become an offshore tax haven?

dasil003 13y ago
The same way we always have. What do either of these issues have to do with BI?
- agilebyte 13y ago
  I do not know what you mean and what "always have" means in your context. The article asks to get more money from corporations which I do not think is feasible. I am in the UK now and this country decided to go for universal income we would have to either close the borders or convince at least the whole of EU to do the same at the same time. Please expand your comment if you can.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > I am in the UK now and this country decided to go for universal income we would have to either close the borders or convince at least the whole of EU to do the same at the same time. That's something of an issue of the EU being a union that is very much like a traditional state, limiting -- by design -- the ability of the subordinate elements to effectively manage certain kinds of policy on their own. That's not an issue with BI, that's an issue with the UK as the unit of analysis in considering BI. You'd have the same problem considering BI in California, for instance.
    - dllthomas 13y ago
      The UK could surely apply BI only to their citizens. California would have more trouble, given the 14th Amendment, though might be able to do something similar to what we do with schools, requiring that you live there a certain amount of time before you start receiving BI. This is assuming that the influx of population actually would be a bad thing, though, which I'm not sure of one way or the other - I see some arguments on both sides that hold at least a little water.
  - dasil003 13y ago
    I was speaking of the US, but I also live in the UK, and I have first-hand experience getting a UK visa as a highly paid professional, and it was not exactly easy. Also I might add that though the NHS is set up as a human right, all public funds are not. For instance, I have to pay for my daughter's school in full, which would be partially covered by the state if I were a citizen. So it's not a question of going from "open" borders to "closed", it's a question of degree.
flyinRyan 13y ago
This is always the fear that if we raise taxes 1% all the people with money will hop on a plane and leave us, but it hasn't happened. Where would they go exactly? There are places that are a lot cheaper, tax-wise than the US right now.

dasil003 13y ago

The same way we always have. What do either of these issues have to do with BI?

agilebyte 13y ago
I do not know what you mean and what "always have" means in your context. The article asks to get more money from corporations which I do not think is feasible. I am in the UK now and this country decided to go for universal income we would have to either close the borders or convince at least the whole of EU to do the same at the same time. Please expand your comment if you can.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > I am in the UK now and this country decided to go for universal income we would have to either close the borders or convince at least the whole of EU to do the same at the same time. That's something of an issue of the EU being a union that is very much like a traditional state, limiting -- by design -- the ability of the subordinate elements to effectively manage certain kinds of policy on their own. That's not an issue with BI, that's an issue with the UK as the unit of analysis in considering BI. You'd have the same problem considering BI in California, for instance.
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    The UK could surely apply BI only to their citizens. California would have more trouble, given the 14th Amendment, though might be able to do something similar to what we do with schools, requiring that you live there a certain amount of time before you start receiving BI. This is assuming that the influx of population actually would be a bad thing, though, which I'm not sure of one way or the other - I see some arguments on both sides that hold at least a little water.
- dasil003 13y ago
  I was speaking of the US, but I also live in the UK, and I have first-hand experience getting a UK visa as a highly paid professional, and it was not exactly easy. Also I might add that though the NHS is set up as a human right, all public funds are not. For instance, I have to pay for my daughter's school in full, which would be partially covered by the state if I were a citizen. So it's not a question of going from "open" borders to "closed", it's a question of degree.

flyinRyan 13y ago

This is always the fear that if we raise taxes 1% all the people with money will hop on a plane and leave us, but it hasn't happened. Where would they go exactly? There are places that are a lot cheaper, tax-wise than the US right now.