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Yes he did. Your comment and jellicle's comment are not quite the same thing. Even then, you are painting some of the party's platform in a negative light wit

by talmand 13y ago

Yes he did. Your comment and jellicle's comment are not quite the same thing. Even then, you are painting some of the party's platform in a negative light without showing why exactly that is their platform to begin with nor why you consider them terrible ideas. Some of their reasons may be bad, but that doesn't mean all of their reasons are.

karamazov 13y ago
He didn't say these policies were bad, just that they were consistent. They're only bad if you disagree with them.
- talmand 13y ago
  No he didn't say they were bad, he was just agreeing with the person that said they were bad. But I think it's fair to say that the tone of the discussion implies these two people feel negativity towards the GOP's platform without stating why. Disagreeing with someone's idea doesn't inherently make that idea bad. People who have the notion that another person's idea is bad solely because they disagree with them with no other evidence is simply a shallow person.
toomuchtodo 13y ago
GOP Platform: "I've got mine, f* you."
- talmand 13y ago
  "but instead I got a gratuitous, tired, over-used, boring, ad-hominem about Republicans that added nothing to conversation"
- ctdonath 13y ago
  Leftist Platform: "I'm taking yours, f* you." Yeah, this line of discussion is going to get us far.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    I'd say the real Leftist Platform is "there is no mine or yours, only ours". Everyone else is a faker ;)
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    Let me be more specific: Who is blocking comprehensive reform of the banking sector (which arguably drove not only the US into a recession, but the world as a whole)? Republicans Draconian anti-abortion laws? Republics Raising student loan interest rates while keeping lending rates to banks near zero? Republicans Supporting egregious amounts of defense department spending (The US spends more on defense then the next 10 countries COMBINED; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_e...)? Republicans Blocking immigration reform? Republicans Trying to prevent the implementation of universal healthcare? Republicans. I could go on, but it would be pointless.
    - ctdonath 13y ago
      Ah, having had a snide ad-hominem insult duly countered, retaliate with a series of non-sequitur malicious context-free imputations.
    - gwright 13y ago
      If only these issues were as clear-cut as you seem to think they are. There is plenty of evidence that the risky loans associated with the home mortgage crisis were motivated by federal policies advocated by Democrats such as the implicit guarantees associated with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The student loan debacle is another example of unintended consequences of government loan subsidies and there is considerable evidence that those subsidies are simply captured by the colleges and universities when they raise their rates. Regarding defense spending, it isn't a surprise that the US spends lots of defense since the US basically provides a national defense capability for itself and most of its close allies. There is certainly plenty of ways to be more efficient on defense spending but Congressional support for inefficient defense spending is hardly a Republican phenomena. It is a systemic problem. Anyone who thinks that the ACA is the be-all-and-end-all of healthcare systems is delusional. It is a bureaucratic nightmare riddled with stupid incentives, accounting flim-flam, and ridiculous complexity. Add to that the completely reasonable thought that the more appropriate location for these services, if they are going to be provided, is the states. Immigration reform: Unending posturing from Democrats who seem to want no limits to immigration and Republicans who seem to want no immigration at all. On top of that, I don't think the public knows what it wants (i.e. no real grassroots consensus) Abortion: I'm not going there other than to say neither Republicans nor Democrats are uniform in their opinions on this topic. My basic philosophy is that neither party is acquitting itself with much distinction these days. It is foolish to think that the flaws in our public policy are the fault of either party alone -- they are both complicit.

by talmand 13y ago

karamazov 13y ago

He didn't say these policies were bad, just that they were consistent. They're only bad if you disagree with them.

talmand 13y ago
No he didn't say they were bad, he was just agreeing with the person that said they were bad. But I think it's fair to say that the tone of the discussion implies these two people feel negativity towards the GOP's platform without stating why. Disagreeing with someone's idea doesn't inherently make that idea bad. People who have the notion that another person's idea is bad solely because they disagree with them with no other evidence is simply a shallow person.

toomuchtodo 13y ago

GOP Platform: "I've got mine, f* you."

talmand 13y ago
"but instead I got a gratuitous, tired, over-used, boring, ad-hominem about Republicans that added nothing to conversation"
ctdonath 13y ago
Leftist Platform: "I'm taking yours, f* you." Yeah, this line of discussion is going to get us far.
- icebraining 13y ago
  I'd say the real Leftist Platform is "there is no mine or yours, only ours". Everyone else is a faker ;)
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  Let me be more specific: Who is blocking comprehensive reform of the banking sector (which arguably drove not only the US into a recession, but the world as a whole)? Republicans Draconian anti-abortion laws? Republics Raising student loan interest rates while keeping lending rates to banks near zero? Republicans Supporting egregious amounts of defense department spending (The US spends more on defense then the next 10 countries COMBINED; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_e...)? Republicans Blocking immigration reform? Republicans Trying to prevent the implementation of universal healthcare? Republicans. I could go on, but it would be pointless.
  - ctdonath 13y ago
    Ah, having had a snide ad-hominem insult duly countered, retaliate with a series of non-sequitur malicious context-free imputations.
  - gwright 13y ago
    If only these issues were as clear-cut as you seem to think they are. There is plenty of evidence that the risky loans associated with the home mortgage crisis were motivated by federal policies advocated by Democrats such as the implicit guarantees associated with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The student loan debacle is another example of unintended consequences of government loan subsidies and there is considerable evidence that those subsidies are simply captured by the colleges and universities when they raise their rates. Regarding defense spending, it isn't a surprise that the US spends lots of defense since the US basically provides a national defense capability for itself and most of its close allies. There is certainly plenty of ways to be more efficient on defense spending but Congressional support for inefficient defense spending is hardly a Republican phenomena. It is a systemic problem. Anyone who thinks that the ACA is the be-all-and-end-all of healthcare systems is delusional. It is a bureaucratic nightmare riddled with stupid incentives, accounting flim-flam, and ridiculous complexity. Add to that the completely reasonable thought that the more appropriate location for these services, if they are going to be provided, is the states. Immigration reform: Unending posturing from Democrats who seem to want no limits to immigration and Republicans who seem to want no immigration at all. On top of that, I don't think the public knows what it wants (i.e. no real grassroots consensus) Abortion: I'm not going there other than to say neither Republicans nor Democrats are uniform in their opinions on this topic. My basic philosophy is that neither party is acquitting itself with much distinction these days. It is foolish to think that the flaws in our public policy are the fault of either party alone -- they are both complicit.