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Hopefully you're being sarcastic? If not, my response to that there should never be a 'comfortable wage'. Everyone needs that crappy job they hate - dishwasher
by lolwutf 13y ago
Hopefully you're being sarcastic?
If not, my response to that there should never be a 'comfortable wage'. Everyone needs that crappy job they hate - dishwasher, ditch digger - that pays nothing in order to motivate them to get out of said situation.
We all (most of us) worked that crappy job when we were younger, and hated it, and one of many reasons I stay motivated to provide value now is, well, because I don't want to be a dishwasher.
That's the beauty of The Market.
- Fargren 13y agoThat's disgusting. We should make sure people have the chance to suffer because suffering makes us better people? That's moralistic crap. If we have the resources to diminish suffering without causing harm, it is wrong not to do it. If all work could be automated, it would be wrong to have people who don't want to work working. I think there is a reason for not having a mandatory comfortable wage; some people would simply not find jobs if we raised the minimum wage to a point were it becomes unprofitable to pay it. But that's the only reason for paying less. Not some BS sanctity of hard work thing.
- drcode 13y agoNo, you have it all backwards... Working at a crappy job causes suffering. Not having ANY job causes MORE suffering. The solution you put forward (making crappy jobs illegal) is not somehow going to magically make poor people suffer less.
- Fargren 13y agoI didn't put that solution forward, another poster did. I don't really agree with him, because I think under the current circumstances, making all crappy jobs illegal is bad, as you say. I do believe some of the crappiest jobs should be illegal (that's why I agree with minimum wages as long as the amount is well thought), because that keeps the worst abusers in check. However, I think justifying it with "the market" and "Everyone needs that crappy job they hate in order to motivate them" is wrong. The only reason for that jobs to exist is that we can't provide better ones right now.
- FreezerburnV 13y agoSo what are the "crappiest" jobs then? What metric would you use to measure them? Should all jobs (or most) seen on the show Dirty Jobs be outlawed? How many of those being outlawed would it take before society collapses due to no garbage being collected, maintenance being done on bridges, fishing not happening, etc. And are those jobs actually crappier than working at Wal-Mart or K-Mart? Which should be outlawed, under your scenario?
- Fargren 13y agoNo. No particular job should be outlawed, probably (that is, nothing that is legal to do for free should be illegal to do for money). But the point of minimum wage, as I see it, is to keep potential employers from abusing people who are not in a position to demand better wages, because if they won't work for almost no money, they won't get to work at all. The idea is that if you need someone to do work for you, you are generating profit from that, or you wouldn't hire them. By having a floor on how much you must pay, you are trying to keep people in bad situations from being abused by those who would exploit them.
- drcode 13y ago> The only reason for that jobs to exist is that we can't provide better ones right now. Oh, and how do you figure out which jobs are better? Hmm... maybe through some kind of market mechanism...
- kaonashi 13y agoWhat an incredibly privileged and myopic viewpoint. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
- johnrob 13y agoNo matter where you are in life, there's always something a lot worse and something a lot better. I can imagine jobs much worse than washing dishes and much better than making 6 figures sitting in an office chair.
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