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Azure will not catch AWS because it's not a first class division. It's an offering in a broader context. Contrast with Amazon who has an SVP of AWS (and he's co

Azure will not catch AWS because it's not a first class division. It's an offering in a broader context. Contrast with Amazon who has an SVP of AWS (and he's considered one of the "more important" SVPs). Any chance I had of considering Azure just evaporated. And there's nothing that screams "ownership" like having a VP's reports "dotted-line" report into someone else, and to have that called out in a company-wide email. Then if you read it, every product MS comes out with will need strong cooperation from 3 SVPs. New Phone? Get the hardware guy, OS guy, and apps guy to coordinate. Recipe for disaster.

ethomson 13y ago
There's a division called "Cloud" being headed up by Executive VP Satya Nadella that encompasses Azure and the apps that build on top of it (Office 365, visualstudio.com...) That seems pretty first-class to me.
- JOnAgain 13y ago
  No, there's a division called "Cloud and Enterprise Engineering Group". This suggest that either it encompasses non-cloud offerings specific to enterprise or the cloud they're building is targeting specifically enterprise. Either way, they will not be focused on making Azure a product I wouldn't be interested in: 1 of 2 focuses or targeting someone I'm not. Furthermore, looks like they've split sales/marketing from engineering which will probably help them build more features which are irrelevant to me and put as many PMs between the clients and engineers as possible.
  - ethomson 13y ago
    That you're condemning Azure based on the name of the business unit its produced in and the location of sales and marketing people in a company makes me think that even if we'd named it "JOnAgain's Special Cloud!" that it would be unlikely to have been of interest to you. (Edit: obviously by "we" I mean "my employer Microsoft", not that I had anything to do with any of these decisions.)
  - marshray 13y ago
    I too work in the newly-named "Cloud and Enterprise" group. Previously we were "Server and Tools Division" which also included Active Directory, Azure, and some other stuff as well. The new name makes a lot more sense to me (and makes for a better acronym too).
staz 13y ago
A bit more coordination would do them some good, releasing the Surface without Office was a stupid error IMHO
- marshray 13y ago
  Eh? Surface RT came with Office.
pjzedalis 13y ago
I like how you make really important technical platform decisions based on the title of the guy in charge.

ethomson 13y ago

There's a division called "Cloud" being headed up by Executive VP Satya Nadella that encompasses Azure and the apps that build on top of it (Office 365, visualstudio.com...) That seems pretty first-class to me.

JOnAgain 13y ago
No, there's a division called "Cloud and Enterprise Engineering Group". This suggest that either it encompasses non-cloud offerings specific to enterprise or the cloud they're building is targeting specifically enterprise. Either way, they will not be focused on making Azure a product I wouldn't be interested in: 1 of 2 focuses or targeting someone I'm not. Furthermore, looks like they've split sales/marketing from engineering which will probably help them build more features which are irrelevant to me and put as many PMs between the clients and engineers as possible.
- ethomson 13y ago
  That you're condemning Azure based on the name of the business unit its produced in and the location of sales and marketing people in a company makes me think that even if we'd named it "JOnAgain's Special Cloud!" that it would be unlikely to have been of interest to you. (Edit: obviously by "we" I mean "my employer Microsoft", not that I had anything to do with any of these decisions.)
- marshray 13y ago
  I too work in the newly-named "Cloud and Enterprise" group. Previously we were "Server and Tools Division" which also included Active Directory, Azure, and some other stuff as well. The new name makes a lot more sense to me (and makes for a better acronym too).

staz 13y ago

A bit more coordination would do them some good, releasing the Surface without Office was a stupid error IMHO

marshray 13y ago
Eh? Surface RT came with Office.

pjzedalis 13y ago

I like how you make really important technical platform decisions based on the title of the guy in charge.