3 ms·

I would like to point, that several US SWAT teams are trained by a brazillian company, that is world famous for training the best SWAT teams. The thing is: tha

by speeder 13y ago

I would like to point, that several US SWAT teams are trained by a brazillian company, that is world famous for training the best SWAT teams. The thing is: that company is THAT famous, because it has literal urban warfare veterans, here in Brazil our SWAT teams (with other names) are used to fight heavily armed (ie: bazookas, grenade launchers, armour piercing auto-cannons) drug lords. Our teams here routinely kills lots of people, out of necessity, and they consider their job war, also our most elite and violent teams, sent into the worst places, are part of the military police (that here is a "normal" police but is actually part of the army, they follow normal army rules and hierarchy, and in case of foreign war, can be sent to the other country and keep their current hierarchy level there). Here in Brazil most of it is necessity, but it is not surprise that training US SWAT here would result into something weird... Here in Brazil SWAT need to use APCs (like this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cPqcotWunXw/UBRoaofiekI/AAAAAAAABKQ/DRxTM_cy2zI/s1600/caveiraobopepmerjln9.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cPqcotWunXw/UBRoaofiekI/AAAAAAAABK...) to invade enemy territory, fight some seriously bloody fights with enemies armed with military weapons (like this one that a cop is displaying after capture in Rio de Janeiro: http://i1.r7.com/data/files/2C92/94A4/2C9A/D947/012C/A28F/0303/1A1A/Severino%20Silva%20-%20Bazuca%20-%20grande.jpg http://i1.r7.com/data/files/2C92/94A4/2C9A/D947/012C/A28F/03... ) Sending people trained to face this, to do regulamentation checks, or raid a party, or a amateur gambling ring, is beyond absurd and silly. Oh, the website of the company that train some US SWAT teams: http://www.cati.com.br/site/pt/?target=curso_interno&cid=27 http://www.cati.com.br/site/pt/?target=curso_interno&cid=27 the US version is broken for some weird reason, also yes, the site is very cheesy... but I know it is true because a friend of mine that works for GOE (Special Operations Group, of the São Paulo civil police) gave me the link and explained some stuff (and back then, invited me to be a volunteer fake hostage for their training)

gt565k 13y ago
BOPE? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalh%C3%A3o_de_Opera%C3%A7%C3%B5es_Policiais_Especiais http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalh%C3%A3o_de_Opera%C3%A7%C3... Elite Squad and Elite Squad 2, the movies, do a good job of portraying what speeder is talking about. The Brazilian favellas are run by drug lords. From my understanding, there has been a big push by Brazil to eradicate these criminals before the World Cup begins. It's quite interesting that BOPE is training US SWAT teams. Here's an interesting video of Brazil's Special Forces (BOPE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Y5flAuEFQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Y5flAuEFQ
- tripzilch 13y ago
  Wow that video is a sight to behold.. BTW anyone clicking it can safely skip the 1st min which is intro.
- speeder 13y ago
  Not only BOPE, BOPE is the military one (they are party of the army officially) There is also GOE (the one I cited earlier), ROTA, and several others. Also, before the world cup things were already quite violent, the movies you cited for example are based on a book that has stories about BOPE in 1980 After the world cup, then we had our police use this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qru7bQsz04M/TU8aavSCMAI/AAAAAAAAB78/zXmxjdACrlg/s1600/TANQUE+USADO+PELO+BOPE.JPG http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qru7bQsz04M/TU8aavSCMAI/AAAAAAAAB7... (this vehicle belongs to the Navy, it was borrowed to the police occupy a area near where stuff will be built for the olympics) Also São Paulo (where I am from) we have "ROTA" that criminals here nicknamed "wheels of death" because few of them survived after seeing one of their cars (this was the car that specifically got that nickname, the fact the same vehicle model was used by funeral companies also did not help: http://anjosguardioes.com/uploadfotos/Galeria/Policia-Militar/ROTA/ROTA_014.jpg http://anjosguardioes.com/uploadfotos/Galeria/Policia-Milita... )
coldtea 13y ago
>Our teams here routinely kills lots of people, out of necessity, Necessity? The main necessity is keeping the status quo and the fat cats in power.
- speeder 13y ago
  Tell me, if someone was firing on you with anti-tank ammunition and about 20 or 30 AK-47, you would be a pacifist and not shoot back?
  - coldtea 13y ago
    To complete the story, add who am I, what I have done to them, and why they are firing to me. Because I won't identify with just any SWAT team receiving this and then answer from their standpoint. Given the regime and how it treats it's people, one could easily reverse the question. So, before answering the "should police have guns and shot at people" -- I'd first ask: wait, how did it got to a shooting match between them? What's wrong in this society that exhibits this? For example (and Godwin's law be damned) if the unit send to stop the Warsaw Ghetto uprising was shot at, I could not care less about it. If they wanted that, then they should not have done what they have done (and served those who they have served) in the first place.

by speeder 13y ago

gt565k 13y ago

BOPE? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalh%C3%A3o_de_Opera%C3%A7%C3%B5es_Policiais_Especiais http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalh%C3%A3o_de_Opera%C3%A7%C3... Elite Squad and Elite Squad 2, the movies, do a good job of portraying what speeder is talking about. The Brazilian favellas are run by drug lords. From my understanding, there has been a big push by Brazil to eradicate these criminals before the World Cup begins. It's quite interesting that BOPE is training US SWAT teams. Here's an interesting video of Brazil's Special Forces (BOPE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Y5flAuEFQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Y5flAuEFQ

tripzilch 13y ago
Wow that video is a sight to behold.. BTW anyone clicking it can safely skip the 1st min which is intro.
speeder 13y ago
Not only BOPE, BOPE is the military one (they are party of the army officially) There is also GOE (the one I cited earlier), ROTA, and several others. Also, before the world cup things were already quite violent, the movies you cited for example are based on a book that has stories about BOPE in 1980 After the world cup, then we had our police use this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qru7bQsz04M/TU8aavSCMAI/AAAAAAAAB78/zXmxjdACrlg/s1600/TANQUE+USADO+PELO+BOPE.JPG http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qru7bQsz04M/TU8aavSCMAI/AAAAAAAAB7... (this vehicle belongs to the Navy, it was borrowed to the police occupy a area near where stuff will be built for the olympics) Also São Paulo (where I am from) we have "ROTA" that criminals here nicknamed "wheels of death" because few of them survived after seeing one of their cars (this was the car that specifically got that nickname, the fact the same vehicle model was used by funeral companies also did not help: http://anjosguardioes.com/uploadfotos/Galeria/Policia-Militar/ROTA/ROTA_014.jpg http://anjosguardioes.com/uploadfotos/Galeria/Policia-Milita... )

coldtea 13y ago

>Our teams here routinely kills lots of people, out of necessity, Necessity? The main necessity is keeping the status quo and the fat cats in power.

speeder 13y ago
Tell me, if someone was firing on you with anti-tank ammunition and about 20 or 30 AK-47, you would be a pacifist and not shoot back?
- coldtea 13y ago
  To complete the story, add who am I, what I have done to them, and why they are firing to me. Because I won't identify with just any SWAT team receiving this and then answer from their standpoint. Given the regime and how it treats it's people, one could easily reverse the question. So, before answering the "should police have guns and shot at people" -- I'd first ask: wait, how did it got to a shooting match between them? What's wrong in this society that exhibits this? For example (and Godwin's law be damned) if the unit send to stop the Warsaw Ghetto uprising was shot at, I could not care less about it. If they wanted that, then they should not have done what they have done (and served those who they have served) in the first place.