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Because cloud this and cloud that! I feel like I'm the only person firmly against cloud storage. I'd constantly feel paranoid about my data randomly disappearin

by rfnslyr 13y ago

Because cloud this and cloud that! I feel like I'm the only person firmly against cloud storage. I'd constantly feel paranoid about my data randomly disappearing at the hands of a company I don't know run by people I don't know on hardware I don't trust. I want everything local.

joevandyk 13y ago
What happens when there's an earthquake? Or theft? Or fire?
- rfnslyr 13y ago
  My own cloud? It's not really hard to get your own service up and running. All my shits auto backed up to my dedicated which has terabytes and terabytes of storage.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    Where do you store it?
    - rfnslyr 13y ago
      Family network. We all run servers in our houses that are connected and each keep backups of eachothers backups. Backups at my parents, grandparents, cousins in colorado, family in Poland. All encrypted, all silently running in the basement of each house. All updated every week.
      - icebraining 13y ago
        Who manages that hardware? I wouldn't mind getting a NAS on my grandmother's, but I can't do cross-country trips if a disk fails. Regardless, that seems a nice setup. I'm not opposed to the cloud (as long as I treat it as a dumb storage system), but it's certainly more expensive than buying your own disks.
icebraining 13y ago
Local data can randomly disappear too - hard drives don't always fail in a predictable fashion. Personally, I prefer to use both local and cloud storage (encrypted, bien sûr).
- 13b9f227ecf0 13y ago
  I periodically mail a DVD of important stuff to my parents and ask them to toss it in the basement. You could do the same thing with backup tapes, or whatever. Drives/tape/flash/dvd is pretty damn cheap and easy. These S3 type solutions would have to be much cheaper to be interesting.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    A DVD holds 4.7GB. Box.net offers 5GB for free. Besides, how do you verify that those backups can be restored when you need them, if they're offline in some remote location? That seems rather untrustworthy to me. I run checks against parity files regularly to verify their integrity.
    - gohrt 13y ago
      10 DVDS hold 47GB. How much does that cost on Box? And can you download 47GB faster than your mom can mail you a DVD?
      - icebraining 13y ago
        Storing 47GB would cost you 47 cents/month on Glacier. And can you download 47GB faster than your mom can mail you a DVD? Probably, though I'm not quite sure about the speed of S3. I use a cheap VPS instead (much more expensive than Glacier, but also much, much more useful), from which I can easily get 3MB/s, so that would definitively be yes.
dublinben 13y ago
A local backup isn't much of a backup. A single fire, flood, theft, storm, earthquake, etc. shouldn't be able to destroy every copy of your data. You must have at least one offsite copy of anything valuable. http://www.dpbestflow.org/backup/backup-overview http://www.dpbestflow.org/backup/backup-overview

by rfnslyr 13y ago

joevandyk 13y ago

What happens when there's an earthquake? Or theft? Or fire?

rfnslyr 13y ago
My own cloud? It's not really hard to get your own service up and running. All my shits auto backed up to my dedicated which has terabytes and terabytes of storage.
- icebraining 13y ago
  Where do you store it?
  - rfnslyr 13y ago
    Family network. We all run servers in our houses that are connected and each keep backups of eachothers backups. Backups at my parents, grandparents, cousins in colorado, family in Poland. All encrypted, all silently running in the basement of each house. All updated every week.
    - icebraining 13y ago
      Who manages that hardware? I wouldn't mind getting a NAS on my grandmother's, but I can't do cross-country trips if a disk fails. Regardless, that seems a nice setup. I'm not opposed to the cloud (as long as I treat it as a dumb storage system), but it's certainly more expensive than buying your own disks.

icebraining 13y ago

Local data can randomly disappear too - hard drives don't always fail in a predictable fashion. Personally, I prefer to use both local and cloud storage (encrypted, bien sûr).

13b9f227ecf0 13y ago
I periodically mail a DVD of important stuff to my parents and ask them to toss it in the basement. You could do the same thing with backup tapes, or whatever. Drives/tape/flash/dvd is pretty damn cheap and easy. These S3 type solutions would have to be much cheaper to be interesting.
- icebraining 13y ago
  A DVD holds 4.7GB. Box.net offers 5GB for free. Besides, how do you verify that those backups can be restored when you need them, if they're offline in some remote location? That seems rather untrustworthy to me. I run checks against parity files regularly to verify their integrity.
  - gohrt 13y ago
    10 DVDS hold 47GB. How much does that cost on Box? And can you download 47GB faster than your mom can mail you a DVD?
    - icebraining 13y ago
      Storing 47GB would cost you 47 cents/month on Glacier. And can you download 47GB faster than your mom can mail you a DVD? Probably, though I'm not quite sure about the speed of S3. I use a cheap VPS instead (much more expensive than Glacier, but also much, much more useful), from which I can easily get 3MB/s, so that would definitively be yes.

dublinben 13y ago

A local backup isn't much of a backup. A single fire, flood, theft, storm, earthquake, etc. shouldn't be able to destroy every copy of your data. You must have at least one offsite copy of anything valuable. http://www.dpbestflow.org/backup/backup-overview http://www.dpbestflow.org/backup/backup-overview