I find your message to be profound. > They want prestige and the root of almost all forms of prestige is nostalgia. There's something of the hazing cycle in t

I find your message to be profound. > They want prestige and the root of almost all forms of prestige is nostalgia. There's something of the hazing cycle in this too. They suffered, so they glorify the suffering, and share it with others. > (2) they're only "glory days" for people who get major, career-improving and permanent benefits from the work-- otherwise it's just managerial abuse In other words, for most people, this is nothing but slavery. Interesting.