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Eve-Online player loses a $9000 digital spaceship
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- contingencies 13y agoIf a spaceship is eviscerated in virtual space, but nobody cares, was anything really eviscerated?
- yvdriess 13y agoIf you lose $9000 in poker, I would not care, but you and the people at the table certainly would.
- gambiting 13y agoDid other players of Eve gain $9000-worth of resources as a result of destroying that ship? Genuine question, never played that game.
- lreeves 13y agoGenerally not. You can salvage wrecks of ships to regain some cost (a very small fraction of the metals used to manufacture them). Oh and if the ship is carrying cargo then you can sometimes snatch up what's left, but there's about a 50% chance I think of each item that a ship is carrying being blow to bits.
- arnarbi 13y agoIf somebody cared enough to be willing to give $9000 for said virtual spaceship, then yes you could consider that money lost.
- nolok 13y agoNobody was willing to give $9000 for it. That number is the value of the in-game price in ISK, then converted to $. It's not even a good ship, only a rare and thus expensive one in game's terms.
- fragsworth 13y agoI'm confused? If someone is willing to give "$9000 worth of ISK" for it, then it follows that someone is willing to give $9000 for it.
- Shish2k 13y ago$ -> ISK is a one-way conversion, which creates a lot of debate over the definition of "worth". I'm not enough of an economist to have any idea over which definition is right :P
- Tuna-Fish 13y agoThere are unsanctioned (might get you banned) ways to convert ISK to $. The unofficial rate is of course much lower because of the risk, but even counting that way, the Revenant was worth $3k.
- llgrrl_ 13y agoNo. I think what he meant was that let's say people are willing to trade X ISK or whaever it's called for 1 USD, and the spaceship is 9000X ISK therefore it might cost 9000 USD. The conversion/trade I suppose doesn't always work that way.
- Tuna-Fish 13y agoThe game devs sell game time for real cash. When you buy some, you get an in-game item called "PLEX", which you can either convert to 30 days of playing, or, sell for anyone in the game in the in-game market for in-game currency, at whatever price you both agree to. This creates a floating exchange rate from $ to ISK, by which count the Revenant was $9K. However, since the conversion is one way, it's questioned whether this means the ship can be said to be worth $9k.
- fu9ar 13y agoHistorical note: the Mittani has been Goonfleet's spymaster and head of black ops since 2006 or so.
- redthrowaway 13y agoHe's been their CEO for years. Mittens is probably the single most powerful person in the game.
- fu9ar 13y agoThat shows how long I've been out... I played off and on as Goonfleet combat pilot until the culmination of the B.O.B. war.
- zaroth 13y agoTried to watch the video of the battle, couldn't understand a thing that was happening. MMORPG has seriously advanced since the last time I played ;-)
- udp 13y agoWhy do they seem to repeat everything they say? I can't work out if it's automated or not.
- cdash 13y agoThey are giving commands to possibly hundreds of people that might not speak english as a native language. In addition sometimes there is more than one voice talking at the same time and their mic might not exactly be clear. Also, many times they are calling a persons name out and then people have to remember the name and search for it through a list of hundreds of other names. It's repeated so they don't have to remember the name.
- lflux 13y agoPeople are also drunk / sleep deprived / have an attention span of a goldfish, or doing several things at once so you might miss who to shoot, where to point your spaceship et c unless it's repeated. I don't know if this is normal for Black Legion's voice chat, but when killing high-value targets the commander can sometimes get riled up over potentially missing the kill.
- dedward 13y agoHe was repeating every small phrase three times though, it was hard to tell if it was automated or habit.
- nemof 13y agohaving done 40 man raiding in wow, you need to repeat a helluva lot of commands constantly to keep people on their toes. similarly so with pvp, but that's more about making sure your partners are always on top of what's going on. things get insanely hectic. No it's still not ok to stand in the fire. DONT STAND IN THE FIRE!
- nicholassmith 13y agoI'd love to play Eve, because it seems like a pretty intense sort of game but it also seems like you need to really commit a lot of time and resources to it. So instead I live vicariously through battle reports like this.
- SeanDav 13y agoI played EVE intensely for a few months, fairly soon after the game came out. I stopped because it is not a game you can succeed at without being part of a corp. Effectively you have a "boss" in game that tells you what you need to do. If you have plenty of free time and don't mind taking orders as to what you should do in the game and with your free time - then this is the game for you. Seriously, it is a great game but not for solo players. You better be a "company man" if you want to get ahead in EVE.
- tome 13y agoIs it really not at all possible to be a sort of lone-ranger?
- Shish2k 13y agoI've managed it quite happily. I would say that you need to be part of a group in order to claim territory and keep it defended 24/7, but there are plenty of other things to do than claim territory. Also, "be alone" and "be a follower" aren't the only options, there's also plenty of room for leaders (well, plenty of opportunity for a leader to make room for themselves and their followers :P).
- yelnatz 13y agoA lot of people go solo. They mine, they work in the markets, they work as couriers, they roam around the universe and kill other people's ships to sell for scraps. It's a sandbox mmo, you can do whatever you like. It does hinder your ability to participate in big battles like this and money making will be slower. But some people don't mind since they just want to be independent.
- jeswin 13y agoDoes anyone know which tracks are being played in the bg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G5CphHMLVeg#at=35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G5Cph... Sorry, not exactly on topic. I couldn't find this info among comments. Recommendations appreciated too. Edit: Just messaged the creator. Will post if I hear back.
- arscan 13y agoAccording to the description in youtube: Shady Business - Mr. Nagasaki PrototypeRaptor - Drive Hard Flo Rida - I Cry
- icebraining 13y agoWhy not just send a message to the video creator through Youtube?
- talkingquickly 13y agoPlease do, I'm also curious
- willyt 13y agohttp://www.shazam.com http://www.shazam.com
- llgrrl_ 13y ago9000 USD is OK. When you get OVER 9000, it's ridiculous.
- rschmitty 13y agoI've never watched an EVE battle before... was anyone else expecting a battle like in Star Wars? I dunno, felt kinda weird, all zoomed out, no aiming, just a big coordinated zerg ball
- Tuna-Fish 13y agoEve is a point&click MMORPG. To pilot a ship you basically activate modules when you need to and choose where to fly to and what to shoot at from a list. In practice, it's more exiting than it sounds, but not by much. The game is about dealing with other people, trying to work together for some common goal, or trying to clean them out, and never knowing what the other side is up to.
- gambiting 13y agoWell, one could argue that Star Wars-like battles are completely unrealistic, because in the future aiming systems will become so good that it will be nearly impossible to miss, so a battle might as well take place like it does in Eve, where the only thing that counts is the strength of your weapons vs. strength of their shields. It's not like you can do a quick evasive maneuver in a super carrier like that - although I am pretty sure that fighter battles still have them moving around since it's on a much smaller scale.
- rschmitty 13y agoVery true, however would we want to watch Star Wars with no human element? Why are there pilots at all, should just be a bunch of R2D2s built into drone ships :P I feel the same about playing a game, I want to have some influence besides my stat column being bigger. Obviously the game must be fun to get the kind of following it has, I guess I was just expecting something else.
- Shish2k 13y agoYou /can/ zoom in, and turn off the UI to just see spaceships in space blowing each other up, and it is beautiful. However, the spreadsheet view with zoomed out camera is more efficient for actually getting things done, which is why all the serious players in serious battles do that. (It would be really nice if some of the big alliances could spare one guy to be dedicated cameraman when landmark events happen, but I'm not aware of anyone doing that :P)
- Udo 13y agoI never understood the allure of having a real-money economy (or something that is closely tied to real money) in a game. On that note, many MMOs seem to be structured like actual work places, complete with command hierarchies, politics and territory. This must be immensely appealing to a lot of people, but it's pretty far removed from my understanding of a fun pastime. But once you're past that, does it really make a difference if that item is worth $90 or $9000? There will always be really rich and influential players around and I'm sure it's not that big of a deal to them. After all, if there was no risk of losing that item, they wouldn't have bought it in the first place. In a real-money game, the material worth of an item is a direct measure of what's at stake, and if the stakes aren't high people aren't having fun.
- megablast 13y agoDid you ever play old arcade games? The fact that you had to spend money made playing the game more exciting, you actually had something to lose. I guess it is the same in these games.
- Udo 13y agoAs you might guess, I was never into arcade games. They just never made sense to me when I could play much better games at home or at friends' places. Then again, maybe I just missed the height of the arcade wave based on timing.
- kmfrk 13y agoEver played poker? Playing with and without real money are two completely different games. As long as we aren't talking scummy DLC tactics like Zynga's, I think it's a great idea, but it's obviously only something skilled developers should use.
- Udo 13y agoI'm not complaining these games exist, I just don't see the appeal. It's not a critique, just an observation. But to people who are into this whole "buying excitement linearly by the dollar" thing the occasional loss of a $9000 spaceship should not be that shocking.
- cheald 13y agoMumble recording after the event: https://soundcloud.com/marxismftw/mumble-07-07-18-15-42-mumble-1 https://soundcloud.com/marxismftw/mumble-07-07-18-15-42-mumb... That is some quality rage right there.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago>{"errors":[{"error_message":"429-TooManyRequests"}]} That clip is popular.
- prawks 13y agoIf there was ever a time to say it, it's now: video games.
- dfc 13y agoElsewhere in this thread I said that Eve was so different from CoD that its hard to believe they are in the same category of leisure activities. However, I immediately felt right at home when I heard that the level of rage. Can I bother you for a couple of quick questions: Around 5:10 into the mumble recording someone says "the cougars posting is so bad i cant even read this." Do you know what the post is that he is referring to? In a discussion of the leak someone wrote: "6) I didn't leak the sound cloud to the eve press. My laptop barely is able to run multiple Eve clients let alone fraps and record soundclouds are the like." What is/are "fraps"? And why would one player need to run more than one Eve client?
- lifeformed 13y agoFraps is screencap software.
- BigKRex 13y ago> the cougars posting is so bad i cant even read this He's talking about kugutsumen.com, an Eve meta-gaming/trolling forum. > What is/are "fraps"? video capture software > And why would one player need to run more than one Eve client? Many, if not most, Eve players multibox more than one account at a time (the average number of accounts/person is probably ~2). Especially people who own supercarriers (such as the focus of the article), as those ships can never dock, thus one for all intents and purposes needs another character to fly other ships. Other common uses for multiple accounts are dedicated support characters (haulers, boosters, healers, etc.) and mining fleets (some people will run dozens at once, crazy I know).
- rcamera 13y agoSome background facts, there is only 3 of those ships in-game so far (iirc). That one belonged to the best mercenary alliance in-game, Pandemic Legion (PL for short), which are very notorious for having the best and largest spying network in-game (EVE metagaming is pretty unique), some of the best players and are not only one of the richest alliances, but one that has many of the largest ships in-game. That guy, with a few other corporation mates, were trying to hunt some enemies who were in expensive ships (not a 9k dollars ship though), while there was an entire fleet from Black Legion, another alliance, trying to hunt that guy. There are two fun facts to all of this... Pandemic Legion has 12 spies in Black Legion, and many of the people online during that time in PL knew that Black Legion were trying to hunt something (they just didn't know what). That guy lost his very expensive ship because he didn't make use of the spy network PL has, by not asking people if there was anyone trying to hunt him. The second fun fact is that the commander of the fleet that guy in the expensive ship was in, was actually a spy for Black Legion! He commanded the fleet right into a death trap. EVE metagaming is pretty unique.
- mathattack 13y agoHere's what I don't follow... Did he lose a spaceship worth $9000, or did he actually pay $9000 for it?