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I think that a generation of millennials, who don't particularly value privacy and don't see much wrong with the government monitoring certain com

by clicks 13y ago

I think that a generation of millennials, who don't particularly value privacy and don't see much wrong with the government monitoring certain communications when they voluntarily post every little detail of their lives on Facebook for hundreds or thousands of people to see Where are you getting this idea from? I'm a millennial, I value my privacy. Most of my non-CS/IT friends also care about their privacy. The key difference is that they had been unaware up 'til now that giving your data to Facebook meant giving your data to the gov't. They had weird, inchoate notions about what it means to share and what some potential implications of that can be. A recent Pew poll said 6% of Americans use Reddit. Reddit is overwhelmingly used by millennials, so just from there you get some idea of where millennials stand on this: and I think it's pretty clear (there's almost certainly some NSA-related post on frontpage any given day nowadays), they're not happy with their privacy being violated.

rayiner 13y ago
Maybe it's because I'm on the fringe of what can be called millennial, but I don't see how sharing every little detail of your private life with your thousand closest Facebook friends shows a substantial concern for "privacy" as I understand the term.
- clicks 13y ago
  If I was well-assured that if I participated in Facebook all of my posts, private messages, likes, etc. were truly private and would never ever be released to the gov't or any other entity in any way, ever, under no condition such that they could prove to be self-incriminating, I would use Facebook. But I know that isn't the case, and hasn't been the case for a long time, and thus I don't use Facebook nor have I ever. There are a lot of millennials who plainly did not realize this. Whether it was willful ignorance or whatever else, I don't know, but I can tell you that a good bunch of them now are not happy that this is so. They just feel powerless in being able to change or challenge the status quo, which I guess they actually are. They could stop using Facebook, but that decision comes at the expense of losing out in other important parts of life.
  - rayiner 13y ago
    Is something you share with hundreds of people "private" whether or not the government can see it?
    - clicks 13y ago
      That was a typo by me. s/posts, private messages, likes/private messages, likes/. I think a public post is public, so it's fair game as concerns the gov't trying to use it in whatever way they wish. On a tangentially related note: you have said much about what constitutes an 'unreasonable' search as the founders may have meant it: that, e.g., one's personal e-mail contents, private Facebook posts, etc. are not as "personal" as one's personal belongings in a home (like a diary). I had a diary when I was young (teenage years), in it I wrote fairly personal things. I guarded it with all my might, and I think I was successful: I don't think anyone in my family ever even knew about the diary's existence. But yet I did not write things highly highly personal, because I was acutely aware that it was just a physical grab away from anyone. When I started using the Internet circa 2001 I finally felt and experienced a liberty that I never had had before. If you had access to my google searches you would have insight to my most personal being: what kind of porn I liked, my trying to find out ways to commit suicide (teenange angst phase), and so on -- things that I would never write in my diary. That is, I felt more confident about my privacy on the Internet than I did about a personal belonging in my own house. Now, that might have been the result of being afraid of a religious helicoptering mother and so not everyone's like me in this regard... but don't you think the founders would rather empathize with my situation and see things my way than yours? That one's Internet belongings should just be as personal as one's belongings at his home?

by clicks 13y ago

rayiner 13y ago

Maybe it's because I'm on the fringe of what can be called millennial, but I don't see how sharing every little detail of your private life with your thousand closest Facebook friends shows a substantial concern for "privacy" as I understand the term.

clicks 13y ago
If I was well-assured that if I participated in Facebook all of my posts, private messages, likes, etc. were truly private and would never ever be released to the gov't or any other entity in any way, ever, under no condition such that they could prove to be self-incriminating, I would use Facebook. But I know that isn't the case, and hasn't been the case for a long time, and thus I don't use Facebook nor have I ever. There are a lot of millennials who plainly did not realize this. Whether it was willful ignorance or whatever else, I don't know, but I can tell you that a good bunch of them now are not happy that this is so. They just feel powerless in being able to change or challenge the status quo, which I guess they actually are. They could stop using Facebook, but that decision comes at the expense of losing out in other important parts of life.
- rayiner 13y ago
  Is something you share with hundreds of people "private" whether or not the government can see it?
  - clicks 13y ago
    That was a typo by me. s/posts, private messages, likes/private messages, likes/. I think a public post is public, so it's fair game as concerns the gov't trying to use it in whatever way they wish. On a tangentially related note: you have said much about what constitutes an 'unreasonable' search as the founders may have meant it: that, e.g., one's personal e-mail contents, private Facebook posts, etc. are not as "personal" as one's personal belongings in a home (like a diary). I had a diary when I was young (teenage years), in it I wrote fairly personal things. I guarded it with all my might, and I think I was successful: I don't think anyone in my family ever even knew about the diary's existence. But yet I did not write things highly highly personal, because I was acutely aware that it was just a physical grab away from anyone. When I started using the Internet circa 2001 I finally felt and experienced a liberty that I never had had before. If you had access to my google searches you would have insight to my most personal being: what kind of porn I liked, my trying to find out ways to commit suicide (teenange angst phase), and so on -- things that I would never write in my diary. That is, I felt more confident about my privacy on the Internet than I did about a personal belonging in my own house. Now, that might have been the result of being afraid of a religious helicoptering mother and so not everyone's like me in this regard... but don't you think the founders would rather empathize with my situation and see things my way than yours? That one's Internet belongings should just be as personal as one's belongings at his home?