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Ruby is a pleasure to program in, however... 1. The drama that surrounds Rails makes a lot of people just throw their hands up and quit. 2. There are very few

by swang 13y ago

Ruby is a pleasure to program in, however... 1. The drama that surrounds Rails makes a lot of people just throw their hands up and quit. 2. There are very few Ruby shops that aren't just Rails shops.

Schwolop 13y ago
I agree. I tried web development professionally; loved Ruby, thought Rails was pretty decent, but hated web development (and ultimately wasn't at all inspired by the product we were building). Now every Ruby meetup I attend, 99% of the presentations are from web devs about rails and associated infrastructure.
- jamesbritt 13y ago
  Now every Ruby meetup I attend, 99% of the presentations are from web devs about rails and associated infrastructure. That's pretty much why I lost interest in not just local groups but most online activity. I use Ruby and JRuby all the time, but for Web dev I'll start with some simple Rack stuff and evolve to a Ramaze app if needed. Listening to someone discuss installation and assorted config params for a gem that only works with a specific framework is not terribly interesting. There are some bright spots online, Greg Brown's Practicing Ruby site being a solid example. https://practicingruby.com https://practicingruby.com
elithrar 13y ago
> 2. There are very few Ruby shops that aren't just Rails shops. If you think about all the shops out there using Puppet and/or Chef, there is still a lot of non-Rails Ruby out there (in a roundabout way, I'll admit).
- hamburglar 13y ago
  Perhaps I have not delved into the right parts of puppet (e.g. I have only scratched the surface of custom types) but I have spent a LOT of time using it for general configuration management and I can say that it doesn't even bear a passing resemblance to ruby. You really can't make the argument that using Puppet makes you a ruby shop.

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Ruby is a pleasure to program in, however... 1. The drama that surrounds Rails makes a lot of people just throw their hands up and quit. 2. There are very few

by swang 13y ago

Ruby is a pleasure to program in, however... 1. The drama that surrounds Rails makes a lot of people just throw their hands up and quit. 2. There are very few Ruby shops that aren't just Rails shops.

Schwolop 13y ago
I agree. I tried web development professionally; loved Ruby, thought Rails was pretty decent, but hated web development (and ultimately wasn't at all inspired by the product we were building). Now every Ruby meetup I attend, 99% of the presentations are from web devs about rails and associated infrastructure.
- jamesbritt 13y ago
  Now every Ruby meetup I attend, 99% of the presentations are from web devs about rails and associated infrastructure. That's pretty much why I lost interest in not just local groups but most online activity. I use Ruby and JRuby all the time, but for Web dev I'll start with some simple Rack stuff and evolve to a Ramaze app if needed. Listening to someone discuss installation and assorted config params for a gem that only works with a specific framework is not terribly interesting. There are some bright spots online, Greg Brown's Practicing Ruby site being a solid example. https://practicingruby.com https://practicingruby.com
elithrar 13y ago
> 2. There are very few Ruby shops that aren't just Rails shops. If you think about all the shops out there using Puppet and/or Chef, there is still a lot of non-Rails Ruby out there (in a roundabout way, I'll admit).
- hamburglar 13y ago
  Perhaps I have not delved into the right parts of puppet (e.g. I have only scratched the surface of custom types) but I have spent a LOT of time using it for general configuration management and I can say that it doesn't even bear a passing resemblance to ruby. You really can't make the argument that using Puppet makes you a ruby shop.