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Does anybody care about GPA after the first job? AFAIC, the way to do it is to go to a school that lets you get at least one internship/co-op under your belt,

by jlgreco 13y ago

Does anybody care about GPA after the first job? AFAIC, the way to do it is to go to a school that lets you get at least one internship/co-op under your belt, then use that to never tell anybody your GPA (if it is shit anyway, no harm telling people your GPA if it is good). Works best if you can get the people you interned with to make an offer to hire you straight out of school. After that first job I don't see GPA mattering much one way or the other, your last employer should carry far more weight. My entire school career I never broke a 3.0 (for general courses) for more than a year, but everything has turned out pretty swell for me. I mean, I did get lucky getting accepted to the college that I did with my high-school GPA, but after that it was fairly merit-based I like to think. Looking back, I don't have regrets. I didn't give myself a heart attack or turn myself into a nervous wreck but I still learned what I wanted from school and enjoyed the process.

jobu 13y ago
Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/03/27/i-interviewed-at-google/ http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/03/27/i-interviewed-at-goo... http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2010/09/how-to-get-a-job-at-google-interview-questions-hiring-process.html http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2010/09/how-t... That's why the recent announcement that they've found zero correlation between GPA and job success was such a big deal: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/in-head-hunting-big-data-may-not-be-such-a-big-deal.html?pagewanted=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/in-head-hunting-b...
- nileshtrivedi 13y ago
  Doesn't that mean "zero correlation between job success and GPA above Google's minimum requirement" ?
- deskglass 13y ago
  Their data is restricted to a set of people that all got a minimum GPA of 3.5. There could still be a correlation if the range of GPAs were greater.
- eshvk 13y ago
  > Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: Google asked me for my grades when I was fresh out of school; after that, they never have.
  - kamaal 13y ago
    >>after that, they never have. How many times did you quit and rejoin Google?
  - enjo 13y ago
    They asked for mine, rather early in the interview process I might add, in 2008 or so. I politely declined.
    - kyzyl 13y ago
      If I might ask, how did you go about declining, and what was their response?
      - enjo 13y ago
        Hard to say, I ended up finding funding for a project while I was in the process with them. We never really finished.
  - jonny_eh 13y ago
    Would they expect your grades to change?
    - eshvk 13y ago
      A good point; I never joined Google the first time around. I simply assumed that that data would have been discarded. It is quite possible, they have all that data in their system every time they call me for interviews or whatever.
- dclowd9901 13y ago
  > Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: Guess I have a reason not to work for Google after all.
- birken 13y ago
  FYI: In 2007 was hired as a new-grad software engineer at Google with a college GPA of 2.66 So Google didn't have any minimum GPA requirement. I certainly was asked about the low GPA during my interviews, but it clearly didn't stop them from hiring me.
  - mikevm 13y ago
    Out of curiosity, how did you explain the low GPA?
- weland 13y ago
  > Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: Google made the headlines of a fairly popular article (I think it was featured recently) with dropping that after empirically convincing themselves it was useless. Also, take the advice of someone who's seen that crap work: never work for any company where HR can have the decisive call in hiring someone or not -- or any serious call in the hiring process of anyone who won't work in HR, for that matter.
johnpmayer 13y ago
> Does anybody care about GPA after the first job? If you're trying to get into medical school, that's not really a fair question. Your college GPA directly affects your med school prospects, which greatly affects your residency prospects, and in turn your lifetime career earnings. If you're getting B's in level 1 & 2 physics and chemistry, you're not getting into Harvard.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Ah, well yes. Any sort of grad/medical school is absolutely going to require you to to pay close attention to your GPA. I don't think most students are looking to go that route though; I certainly wasn't. I wouldn't call missing those things "the end of the world" unless you are really dead set on that route.
  - auctiontheory 13y ago
    Most undergrads have no idea where they will end up in life. I certainly could not have predicted the graduate programs I considered - none of them having anything to do with my EECS major. Getting poor (or even average) grades closes many doors, especially in these days of grade inflation (at many, but not all schools).
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      Fair point. I had a plan and thought I roughly knew the requirements. I can see how students who are more exploratory would need to be more careful.
  - eitally 13y ago
    This isn't necessarily true. I had a 2.9ish GPA as an undergrad history major but I still got into a respectable engineering masters program (NC State) based on career merits. Granted, that was 10 years after I entered the workforce as a technical professional, but even so, there are many ways to reach any given end state, via hard work, excellent communication skills, and [hopefully] a strong network.
phaus 13y ago
For federal engineering / IT / Software jobs, they often specify that you have to have a 3.0 or higher in the credits relevant to your field. They probably hire people with low GPAs that meet their other requirements, but that's what they advertise. Also, it used to be repeated quite often that most of the bigger tech companies (IBM, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, etc) were extremely difficult to get into if you didn't have a 3.7+ from a well known school. I don't know how true this was, but when I first started school, I was worried that if I didn't perform well enough, that it could potentially affect my chances of finding interesting work. I personally don't give a shit about someone's GPA. When I was going through my technical training in the military, we had people who barely passed the written exams, who would then proceed to complete the practical exercises faster and more accurately than anyone else. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Hmm, I didn't go the federal/contractor route, I went the "bigger tech company" route but I suppose I may have bypassed the GPA bar by getting hired fulltime while an intern. Had I not done that, my plan was to start with smaller startups. shrug, maybe I was luckier than I give myself credit for.
- cstejerean 13y ago
  A high GPA from a well known school will definitely help someone right out of college get a job if they don't have any other qualifications, but it's not a strict requirement.
pyre 13y ago
I've been asked about GPA after my first job. Only once thus far though.
rdtsc 13y ago
> Does anybody care about GPA after the first job? No but they care about the job you had before that job, which happens to depend on GPA and so on. Not saying it is right, just it is not as simple.
rayiner 13y ago
Its much more common outside of engineering. In legal services, and I believe management consulting, its a major factor 5-7 years into your career. Heck, every legal employer still asks for my undergraduate transcripts, and I'm six years and three jobs and grad school distanced from those!
cafard 13y ago
A woman I know of, in her early 50s, with an MBA, was asked about her undergraduate GPA, and if I recall correctly her SATs when applying for a job a couple of years ago. This made me wonder about the common sense of the employer; her too, maybe, for she is not working for them.
- VLM 13y ago
  Stealth ageism. There's a local printing company near where I live famous for being the only large employer in the area demanding high school transcripts LOL. Legal or not, its a signal of old people need not apply. I'm old enough, and grade inflation has been going on long enough, that my "pretty good" HS GPA at the time makes me look like I merely showed up for attendance compared to the recent grads. Now if they wanted a percentile instead of a GPA, then I'd have an excellent chance. But they very intentionally want a younger workforce by whatever borderline legal method necessary, so they ask for GPA...

by jlgreco 13y ago

jobu 13y ago

Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/03/27/i-interviewed-at-google/ http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/03/27/i-interviewed-at-goo... http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2010/09/how-to-get-a-job-at-google-interview-questions-hiring-process.html http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2010/09/how-t... That's why the recent announcement that they've found zero correlation between GPA and job success was such a big deal: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/in-head-hunting-big-data-may-not-be-such-a-big-deal.html?pagewanted=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/in-head-hunting-b...

nileshtrivedi 13y ago
Doesn't that mean "zero correlation between job success and GPA above Google's minimum requirement" ?
deskglass 13y ago
Their data is restricted to a set of people that all got a minimum GPA of 3.5. There could still be a correlation if the range of GPAs were greater.
eshvk 13y ago
> Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: Google asked me for my grades when I was fresh out of school; after that, they never have.
- kamaal 13y ago
  >>after that, they never have. How many times did you quit and rejoin Google?
- enjo 13y ago
  They asked for mine, rather early in the interview process I might add, in 2008 or so. I politely declined.
  - kyzyl 13y ago
    If I might ask, how did you go about declining, and what was their response?
    - enjo 13y ago
      Hard to say, I ended up finding funding for a project while I was in the process with them. We never really finished.
- jonny_eh 13y ago
  Would they expect your grades to change?
  - eshvk 13y ago
    A good point; I never joined Google the first time around. I simply assumed that that data would have been discarded. It is quite possible, they have all that data in their system every time they call me for interviews or whatever.
dclowd9901 13y ago
> Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: Guess I have a reason not to work for Google after all.
birken 13y ago
FYI: In 2007 was hired as a new-grad software engineer at Google with a college GPA of 2.66 So Google didn't have any minimum GPA requirement. I certainly was asked about the low GPA during my interviews, but it clearly didn't stop them from hiring me.
- mikevm 13y ago
  Out of curiosity, how did you explain the low GPA?
weland 13y ago
> Google is one well-known example that used to require a minimum GPA, even for people with years of experience: Google made the headlines of a fairly popular article (I think it was featured recently) with dropping that after empirically convincing themselves it was useless. Also, take the advice of someone who's seen that crap work: never work for any company where HR can have the decisive call in hiring someone or not -- or any serious call in the hiring process of anyone who won't work in HR, for that matter.

johnpmayer 13y ago

> Does anybody care about GPA after the first job? If you're trying to get into medical school, that's not really a fair question. Your college GPA directly affects your med school prospects, which greatly affects your residency prospects, and in turn your lifetime career earnings. If you're getting B's in level 1 & 2 physics and chemistry, you're not getting into Harvard.

jlgreco 13y ago
Ah, well yes. Any sort of grad/medical school is absolutely going to require you to to pay close attention to your GPA. I don't think most students are looking to go that route though; I certainly wasn't. I wouldn't call missing those things "the end of the world" unless you are really dead set on that route.
- auctiontheory 13y ago
  Most undergrads have no idea where they will end up in life. I certainly could not have predicted the graduate programs I considered - none of them having anything to do with my EECS major. Getting poor (or even average) grades closes many doors, especially in these days of grade inflation (at many, but not all schools).
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Fair point. I had a plan and thought I roughly knew the requirements. I can see how students who are more exploratory would need to be more careful.
- eitally 13y ago
  This isn't necessarily true. I had a 2.9ish GPA as an undergrad history major but I still got into a respectable engineering masters program (NC State) based on career merits. Granted, that was 10 years after I entered the workforce as a technical professional, but even so, there are many ways to reach any given end state, via hard work, excellent communication skills, and [hopefully] a strong network.

phaus 13y ago

For federal engineering / IT / Software jobs, they often specify that you have to have a 3.0 or higher in the credits relevant to your field. They probably hire people with low GPAs that meet their other requirements, but that's what they advertise. Also, it used to be repeated quite often that most of the bigger tech companies (IBM, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, etc) were extremely difficult to get into if you didn't have a 3.7+ from a well known school. I don't know how true this was, but when I first started school, I was worried that if I didn't perform well enough, that it could potentially affect my chances of finding interesting work. I personally don't give a shit about someone's GPA. When I was going through my technical training in the military, we had people who barely passed the written exams, who would then proceed to complete the practical exercises faster and more accurately than anyone else. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

jlgreco 13y ago
Hmm, I didn't go the federal/contractor route, I went the "bigger tech company" route but I suppose I may have bypassed the GPA bar by getting hired fulltime while an intern. Had I not done that, my plan was to start with smaller startups. shrug, maybe I was luckier than I give myself credit for.
cstejerean 13y ago
A high GPA from a well known school will definitely help someone right out of college get a job if they don't have any other qualifications, but it's not a strict requirement.

pyre 13y ago

I've been asked about GPA after my first job. Only once thus far though.

rdtsc 13y ago

> Does anybody care about GPA after the first job? No but they care about the job you had before that job, which happens to depend on GPA and so on. Not saying it is right, just it is not as simple.

rayiner 13y ago

Its much more common outside of engineering. In legal services, and I believe management consulting, its a major factor 5-7 years into your career. Heck, every legal employer still asks for my undergraduate transcripts, and I'm six years and three jobs and grad school distanced from those!

cafard 13y ago

A woman I know of, in her early 50s, with an MBA, was asked about her undergraduate GPA, and if I recall correctly her SATs when applying for a job a couple of years ago. This made me wonder about the common sense of the employer; her too, maybe, for she is not working for them.

VLM 13y ago
Stealth ageism. There's a local printing company near where I live famous for being the only large employer in the area demanding high school transcripts LOL. Legal or not, its a signal of old people need not apply. I'm old enough, and grade inflation has been going on long enough, that my "pretty good" HS GPA at the time makes me look like I merely showed up for attendance compared to the recent grads. Now if they wanted a percentile instead of a GPA, then I'd have an excellent chance. But they very intentionally want a younger workforce by whatever borderline legal method necessary, so they ask for GPA...