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Never understood why would someone like to use hosted Redis solutions from redis-cloud, redistogo etc... Their Customers are developers.. why cant developers sp

by zerop 13y ago

Never understood why would someone like to use hosted Redis solutions from redis-cloud, redistogo etc... Their Customers are developers.. why cant developers spawn an instance with Redis on it and use it themselves.. how does this hosted redis business model work..?

gamache 13y ago
I have modest needs from Redis -- basically I want a queue ~1000 items long, under 1MB per item. I could provision a couple of EC2 servers, get Redis going on them, set up some sort of monitoring, some failover mechanism, etc. $X/month. Or I could pay someone $Y/month to give me a Redis server I can use, and not have to care about the rest, so I can spend time worrying about things more relevant to my actual goals. If $Y is not much more than $X, it's a very easy decision.
- nasalgoat 13y ago
  If you have modest needs of it, just run it on the same machine. The whole point of redis is low latency data queries, which running on some third-party service you lose.
  - gamache 13y ago
    That might be a point of Redis, but it's certainly not the whole point, as I don't care about it but Redis is still useful to me. And again, just because I can do it myself doesn't mean I should. I came into adulthood as a sysadmin. I can take a project from bolting racks into the floor to writing front-end code, but I don't. There are better ways.
  - Aqua_Geek 13y ago
    > just run it on the same machine Sometimes you don't have that option (e.g. Heroku).
loginalready 13y ago
You just answered your own question. Their customers are developers, i.e., a scarce and expensive resource who's time is most effectively spent developing rather than configuring, tuning, monitoring and otherwise maintaining server parks, virtual or not.
- nasalgoat 13y ago
  But redis doesn't really require any of that - it'll run and provide decent performance on a small instance, or even better, running on the same instance your app is running. "yum -y install redis" then "service redis start" and it just works. I'm not sure there is an easier service to use than local redis.
  - jefe78 13y ago
    Interesting concept, but how does that scale?
    - nasalgoat 13y ago
      Scale? I thought the use case was modest load? Either way, I do 30K/sec queries on a single redis instance on a small instance - the performance is quite exceptional.
      - jefe78 13y ago
        Fair enough. 30k/sec sounds pretty nice. Sadly, I imagine that's a local instance. We need a solution that can handle orders of magnitude more than that though. Which, from my understanding, means multiple instances. And I have no experience with scaling Redis. I'd kill for a good turn-key solution. Edit: Someone contact me. I want to give you money!
        nasalgoat 13y ago
        Actually, I have several TBs of redis capacity online and run millions of queries a second against it. I was speaking to a simple use case. A bit of googling will answer most of your redis scaling questions.

by zerop 13y ago

gamache 13y ago

I have modest needs from Redis -- basically I want a queue ~1000 items long, under 1MB per item. I could provision a couple of EC2 servers, get Redis going on them, set up some sort of monitoring, some failover mechanism, etc. $X/month. Or I could pay someone $Y/month to give me a Redis server I can use, and not have to care about the rest, so I can spend time worrying about things more relevant to my actual goals. If $Y is not much more than $X, it's a very easy decision.

nasalgoat 13y ago
If you have modest needs of it, just run it on the same machine. The whole point of redis is low latency data queries, which running on some third-party service you lose.
- gamache 13y ago
  That might be a point of Redis, but it's certainly not the whole point, as I don't care about it but Redis is still useful to me. And again, just because I can do it myself doesn't mean I should. I came into adulthood as a sysadmin. I can take a project from bolting racks into the floor to writing front-end code, but I don't. There are better ways.
- Aqua_Geek 13y ago
  > just run it on the same machine Sometimes you don't have that option (e.g. Heroku).

loginalready 13y ago

You just answered your own question. Their customers are developers, i.e., a scarce and expensive resource who's time is most effectively spent developing rather than configuring, tuning, monitoring and otherwise maintaining server parks, virtual or not.

nasalgoat 13y ago
But redis doesn't really require any of that - it'll run and provide decent performance on a small instance, or even better, running on the same instance your app is running. "yum -y install redis" then "service redis start" and it just works. I'm not sure there is an easier service to use than local redis.
- jefe78 13y ago
  Interesting concept, but how does that scale?
  - nasalgoat 13y ago
    Scale? I thought the use case was modest load? Either way, I do 30K/sec queries on a single redis instance on a small instance - the performance is quite exceptional.
    - jefe78 13y ago
      Fair enough. 30k/sec sounds pretty nice. Sadly, I imagine that's a local instance. We need a solution that can handle orders of magnitude more than that though. Which, from my understanding, means multiple instances. And I have no experience with scaling Redis. I'd kill for a good turn-key solution. Edit: Someone contact me. I want to give you money!
      - nasalgoat 13y ago
        Actually, I have several TBs of redis capacity online and run millions of queries a second against it. I was speaking to a simple use case. A bit of googling will answer most of your redis scaling questions.