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That's exactly what we had in the 80s, a deficient culture in the cockpit, a bunch of hot shot pilots who 'didn't want to be told what to do' and would ignore c

by ddunkin 13y ago

That's exactly what we had in the 80s, a deficient culture in the cockpit, a bunch of hot shot pilots who 'didn't want to be told what to do' and would ignore co-pilot advice. I'm not surprised another country has these same hurdles to overcome.

silencio 13y ago
But Korean Air at least, and Korean pilots have already faced that hurdle (if they aren't already the poster children for culture issues among pilots), and if it comes down to a cultural issue again I'll be more than a little surprised. Can't find the link I originally saw that went into this in more detail, but the basic subject is covered here: http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008/12/04/malcolm-gladwell-on-culture-cockpit-communication-and-plane-crashes/ http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008/12/04/malcolm-gladwell-... More on the business side here: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/26/business/new-standards-mean-korean-air-is-coming-off-many-shun-lists.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/26/business/new-standards-mea...
- cpncrunch 13y ago
  Prepare to be surprised: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/518568-asiana-flight-crash-san-francisco-63.html#post7931852 http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/518568-asiana-flight-cras...
  - ekianjo 13y ago
    That's exactly what I have been talking about and I was voted down to hell for claiming that out loud.
    - TallGuyShort 13y ago
      In my opinion, you were getting voted down to hell because you made very inflammatory remarks that had nothing to do with the parent comment. Somebody remarked on how the relative lack of airline disasters in recent history probably amplified the media frenzy this time around, and you said "So it's ok to forgive Pilots' incompetence just because statistics say it doesn't happen a lot?" Don't play the martyr. If you had posted that link as an entirely separate comment and suggested that it was a major factor in the crash, no one would have down voted you, I'm sure. But because of that first comment that was, IMO, a huge jump in both tone and topic from its parent, people probably perceived your subsequent comments as being irrational and motivated by emotion. It was nothing to do with what you were talking about, and everything to do with how you were talking about it.
potatolicious 13y ago
Sure, but that's not the part I had a problem with. Korean Air, after all, had an incident in the 90s where the captain overruled the strenuous objections of his copilot, resulting in a fatal crash. The main issue I had with the post was that he's claiming this to be the case purely on the notion that the copilot did not speak during the crash. That's severely reaching, and smells a lot like fitting facts to a predetermined conclusion rather than the other way around.

by ddunkin 13y ago

silencio 13y ago

But Korean Air at least, and Korean pilots have already faced that hurdle (if they aren't already the poster children for culture issues among pilots), and if it comes down to a cultural issue again I'll be more than a little surprised. Can't find the link I originally saw that went into this in more detail, but the basic subject is covered here: http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008/12/04/malcolm-gladwell-on-culture-cockpit-communication-and-plane-crashes/ http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008/12/04/malcolm-gladwell-... More on the business side here: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/26/business/new-standards-mean-korean-air-is-coming-off-many-shun-lists.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/26/business/new-standards-mea...

cpncrunch 13y ago
Prepare to be surprised: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/518568-asiana-flight-crash-san-francisco-63.html#post7931852 http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/518568-asiana-flight-cras...
- ekianjo 13y ago
  That's exactly what I have been talking about and I was voted down to hell for claiming that out loud.
  - TallGuyShort 13y ago
    In my opinion, you were getting voted down to hell because you made very inflammatory remarks that had nothing to do with the parent comment. Somebody remarked on how the relative lack of airline disasters in recent history probably amplified the media frenzy this time around, and you said "So it's ok to forgive Pilots' incompetence just because statistics say it doesn't happen a lot?" Don't play the martyr. If you had posted that link as an entirely separate comment and suggested that it was a major factor in the crash, no one would have down voted you, I'm sure. But because of that first comment that was, IMO, a huge jump in both tone and topic from its parent, people probably perceived your subsequent comments as being irrational and motivated by emotion. It was nothing to do with what you were talking about, and everything to do with how you were talking about it.

potatolicious 13y ago

Sure, but that's not the part I had a problem with. Korean Air, after all, had an incident in the 90s where the captain overruled the strenuous objections of his copilot, resulting in a fatal crash. The main issue I had with the post was that he's claiming this to be the case purely on the notion that the copilot did not speak during the crash. That's severely reaching, and smells a lot like fitting facts to a predetermined conclusion rather than the other way around.