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You're all over the map in your comments. First, capitalism need not have a Capitalist Manifesto, and it is, for all intents and purposes, an -ism. The word ha
by bobwaycott 13y ago
You're all over the map in your comments.
First, capitalism need not have a Capitalist Manifesto, and it is, for all intents and purposes, an -ism. The word has been around for about 260 years, as an -ism. Or do you mean something more by your use of -ism? Moreover, 'free enterprise' as a synonym for capitalism is a recent PR move of the last century. Free markets are not inherently the domain of capitalism. When someone, like the grandparent to whom you're replying, picks out 'free market capitalism' they typically are not assigning total blame to the operations of free enterprises in total, but to the abuses that are inherent to capitalist economics. Moreover, there are more writings than one can easily count, and a thoroughgoing cultural narrative with hegemonic force surrounding the idea of capitalism in the US, that more than serves as a 'foil or point of departure' for the Communist Manifesto. Additionally, if you're going to make a shallow trumpeting for capitalism against socialism or communism, you really ought not limit yourself to the young Marx's Communist Manifesto. That's a bit like referring to the Federalist Papers as a your defense of free-enterprise capitalism. If you haven't read the mature Marx's works on economic theory, or the multitude of socialist and Marxist thinkers who have followed, then I am at a loss as to how you can prove your case.
A concrete answer on what exactly you mean by 'human liberation' would be the better starting point for making this discussion more informative. If you're going to discuss economic systems as forces for 'human liberation', then let's define what is meant by 'human liberation'.
I already offered up a potential starting point based on defining the 'human liberation' factor found in the respective economic ideas vs 'human liberation' factor realized in their implementation. You've not offered any significant rejoinder on either count, except to mention personal anecdotes, 'more freedom', 'more ownership', and the wholly undefined 'more desirable aspects of daily life'. You're offering up words that have no concrete meaning (except perhaps in your mind, which I cannot read).
Your prior criticism included 'economic rulers', and capitalism has the fewest systemic 'rulers' of the other two systems you criticized. Or perhaps you should define what you mean by 'rulers' so we're not talking past each other. My statement of the facts of socialist or communist economic ownership elicited statements about immigration patterns, anecdote, and ill-defined phrases? What, specifically, do worldwide immigration patterns have to do with 'human liberation'? Is immigration a requirement or feature of liberation? Your inclusion of this as a response to statements I made on the principles of economic ownership found in socialist and/or communist economic principles belie understanding what I wrote.
And how exactly does economic regulation figure into discussing the merits of capitalism as a force for 'human liberation' contra socialism or communism?