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So now he has to get there...? Maybe they could have a frigate on a "far northing training excerise". He could then fly by helicoper to the ship. Interdicting

So now he has to get there...? Maybe they could have a frigate on a "far northing training excerise". He could then fly by helicoper to the ship. Interdicting a home bound passenger jet is one thing (esp. as they need fuel). Interdicting frigate in international waters is a another ball game. But yeah, I'm probably far into the realm a fantasy here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ARV_General_Sal%C3%B3m_%28F-25%29_y_ARV_Mariscal_Sucre_%28F-21%29_-_1987-09855.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ARV_General_Sal%C3%B3m_%2...

danbruc 13y ago
Someone with some spare money should charter a private jet for him and then fly some extra hops to stay far away from countries that could cause trouble.
weinzierl 13y ago
"Moscow - Barents Sea - Windward Islands - Caracas" interesting article in Spiegel Online today. They have a map of the potential route and other suggestions. For example: He could travel as diplomatic baggage. Sounds crazy, but there are at least two cases where this has been tried. Both cases were unsuccessful but if they were we probably wouldn't know about them. Original (in German): http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/asylgesuch-von-snowden-in-venezuela-moegliche-reiseroute-a-910213.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/asylgesuch-von-snowden... Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fasylgesuch-von-snowden-in-venezuela-moegliche-reiseroute-a-910213.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&pre...
rz2k 13y ago
In December 2002, a North Korean ship was boarded by Spanish special forces in coordination with the US off the Horn of Africa.[1] They believed it was carrying missiles or other arms. It was a shipment of Scud missiles on its way to Yemen, and they eventually let them pass.[2] It is well within the capability of the US Navy to blockade or stop a Venezuelan warship, and it would probably be a bad strategy to show even token resistance when days away from anyone else being able to see what is happening. The narrative could be something along the lines of —they were given an easy way to give him up, but they were crazy and shot at us first! I have no idea what warning shots are like from missile frigates and whether they are easy to interpret. It might be easier to hope that a 11 or 12 hour flight avoiding unwelcoming airspaces would simply go mostly unnoticed. Foreign Policy also played with the idea a few days ago.[3] My guess is that as long as he remains safe for a few years, popular opinion will eventually shift to his favor and he'll be pardoned, and eventually treated more like Ellsberg than Vanunu. However, since it is in the long term interests of Venezuela to repair relations with the US, it will require luck for Snowden to become popular enough in the US for a pardon before Venezuela decides that it has 'thought deeper' about what he did, and wants to make a friendly gesture toward its American partners. [1] http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.missile.ship/ http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.mis... [2] http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.missile.ship/ http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.mis... [3] http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/06/moscow_to_caracas_the_scenic_route http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/06/moscow_to_car...

danbruc 13y ago

Someone with some spare money should charter a private jet for him and then fly some extra hops to stay far away from countries that could cause trouble.

weinzierl 13y ago

"Moscow - Barents Sea - Windward Islands - Caracas" interesting article in Spiegel Online today. They have a map of the potential route and other suggestions. For example: He could travel as diplomatic baggage. Sounds crazy, but there are at least two cases where this has been tried. Both cases were unsuccessful but if they were we probably wouldn't know about them. Original (in German): http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/asylgesuch-von-snowden-in-venezuela-moegliche-reiseroute-a-910213.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/asylgesuch-von-snowden... Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fasylgesuch-von-snowden-in-venezuela-moegliche-reiseroute-a-910213.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&pre...

rz2k 13y ago

In December 2002, a North Korean ship was boarded by Spanish special forces in coordination with the US off the Horn of Africa.[1] They believed it was carrying missiles or other arms. It was a shipment of Scud missiles on its way to Yemen, and they eventually let them pass.[2] It is well within the capability of the US Navy to blockade or stop a Venezuelan warship, and it would probably be a bad strategy to show even token resistance when days away from anyone else being able to see what is happening. The narrative could be something along the lines of —they were given an easy way to give him up, but they were crazy and shot at us first! I have no idea what warning shots are like from missile frigates and whether they are easy to interpret. It might be easier to hope that a 11 or 12 hour flight avoiding unwelcoming airspaces would simply go mostly unnoticed. Foreign Policy also played with the idea a few days ago.[3] My guess is that as long as he remains safe for a few years, popular opinion will eventually shift to his favor and he'll be pardoned, and eventually treated more like Ellsberg than Vanunu. However, since it is in the long term interests of Venezuela to repair relations with the US, it will require luck for Snowden to become popular enough in the US for a pardon before Venezuela decides that it has 'thought deeper' about what he did, and wants to make a friendly gesture toward its American partners. [1] http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.missile.ship/ http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.mis... [2] http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.missile.ship/ http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/us.mis... [3] http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/06/moscow_to_caracas_the_scenic_route http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/06/moscow_to_car...