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> Caveat: I'm a Mozillian. Oh. If your view resembles that of the most of mozillians then I think Firfox OS is already doomed. What you wrote might appeal to s

> Caveat: I'm a Mozillian. Oh. If your view resembles that of the most of mozillians then I think Firfox OS is already doomed. What you wrote might appeal to some developers, but it means little to users. And I am not sure how many developers are interested in platform in which users are not interested. Looks like when Blake Ross left Mozilla so did understanding the user.

Ygg2 13y ago
> then I think Firfox OS is already doomed. Perhaps it is. We'll see how it will play out. It's hard to say at this point. Going for <$100 phones seems like a smart move. The user they are targeting is one that wants a smartphone and wants it cheap. They are also targeting developers in with their OS and API. Android 1.0 wasn't that impressive when it shipped either. But look where it is now.
alsocasey 13y ago
Windows desktop dominance was once (long ago) secured using much the same approach: make it easy for developers to develop and self publish on your platform.
bad_user 13y ago
> What you wrote might appeal to some developers, but it means little to users If you look throughout history, the operating systems that succeeded where the operating systems preferred by developers. Whether this is mixing causality with correlation, we can't really be sure, since the marketplace is in general weird, however it's safe to assume that popularity amongst users is related to popularity amongst developers. 1) Exhibit A: Windows versus OS/2 (remember IBM's OS/2 ?) 2) Exhibit B: "The Return of the Mac", by Paul Graham - http://paulgraham.com/mac.html http://paulgraham.com/mac.html 3) Exhibit C: Symbian in 2007 had 70% of the market-share or even more
- pjmlp 13y ago
  I am yet to know any developer that desired to really code for Symbian and enjoy all the issues related to the Symbian C++ dialect.
  - bad_user 13y ago
    Well, that was my point. Symbian went downhill fast immediately after the iPhone and Android happened.
    - pjmlp 13y ago
      On my first contact with Symbian I could hardly believe that their C++ tooling was worse than to develop for MS-DOS in C++.
ndesaulniers 13y ago
> Looks like when Blake Ross left Mozilla so did understanding the user. And the rise of the hyperbolic commentators, shit!
Yoric 13y ago
I am sorry you feel that way. I have written a number of replies across this thread, some targeted towards developers, some towards users. If you do not like my developer-oriented replies, I invite you to look at my user-oriented ones.

Ygg2 13y ago

> then I think Firfox OS is already doomed. Perhaps it is. We'll see how it will play out. It's hard to say at this point. Going for <$100 phones seems like a smart move. The user they are targeting is one that wants a smartphone and wants it cheap. They are also targeting developers in with their OS and API. Android 1.0 wasn't that impressive when it shipped either. But look where it is now.

alsocasey 13y ago

Windows desktop dominance was once (long ago) secured using much the same approach: make it easy for developers to develop and self publish on your platform.

bad_user 13y ago

> What you wrote might appeal to some developers, but it means little to users If you look throughout history, the operating systems that succeeded where the operating systems preferred by developers. Whether this is mixing causality with correlation, we can't really be sure, since the marketplace is in general weird, however it's safe to assume that popularity amongst users is related to popularity amongst developers. 1) Exhibit A: Windows versus OS/2 (remember IBM's OS/2 ?) 2) Exhibit B: "The Return of the Mac", by Paul Graham - http://paulgraham.com/mac.html http://paulgraham.com/mac.html 3) Exhibit C: Symbian in 2007 had 70% of the market-share or even more

pjmlp 13y ago
I am yet to know any developer that desired to really code for Symbian and enjoy all the issues related to the Symbian C++ dialect.
- bad_user 13y ago
  Well, that was my point. Symbian went downhill fast immediately after the iPhone and Android happened.
  - pjmlp 13y ago
    On my first contact with Symbian I could hardly believe that their C++ tooling was worse than to develop for MS-DOS in C++.

ndesaulniers 13y ago

> Looks like when Blake Ross left Mozilla so did understanding the user. And the rise of the hyperbolic commentators, shit!

Yoric 13y ago

I am sorry you feel that way. I have written a number of replies across this thread, some targeted towards developers, some towards users. If you do not like my developer-oriented replies, I invite you to look at my user-oriented ones.