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This is a case where, even if the businesses are failing, the mid to long term outcome will benefit Germany anyway.

by seren 13y ago

gngeal 13y ago
the mid to long term outcome will benefit the whole world anyway Here, fixed that for you. (Pilot projects on a large scale are useful to all of us. Someone has to finally do it.)
- kaybe 13y ago
  True, and I'm fine with paying for that (I'm German). It's better than just having world summits that end in disagreement. Let's build amazing green technology, invest and then profit some from adaption and then see the real goal come true when everyone starts to make it. It might kill some companies in the end, but there's so much more at stake here.
  - PavlovsCat 13y ago
    A man has made at least a start on discovering the meaning of human life when he plants shade trees under which he knows full well he will never sit. -- D. Elton Trueblood
drchaos 13y ago
How exactly do you think Germany (as a whole) could profit from this? With the EEG (Energie-Einspeise-Gesetz), the German government created an artificial solar bubble which is costing electricity customers several billions of Euros each year, only to fill the pockets of (mostly Chinese) panel producers, homeowners and companies who install that stuff, and last but not least the banks (most installations are financed by credit). The amount of electricity actually produced is almost neglible (a meager 3.1% in 2011), whereas the consumer price has almost doubled since 2005, and is now one of the highest in the world. Even if you assume that this giant experiment in planned economy would somehow lead to technological breakthroughs, making producing electricity via solar economically feasible in the long term, Germany would still have to recover the cost of 20+ years of subventions (which already amount to over 100 billion €, and that's only a fraction of the total sum which has been guaranteed by the EEG), while other countries with much better climatic conditions would be able to reap the majority of the profits.
- Shivetya 13y ago
  How about by forcing the government to admit it was a jobs program and not a program to improve the environment. How about the government officials having to acknowledge the burden their system puts upon their local manufacturers? So was it a jobs program or environmental? Politicians love to sell programs as one while really doing the other. Jobs programs tend to be vote buying schemes for the most part.
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    How about we call it an energy security program and be done with it.

This is a case where, even if the businesses are failing, the mid to long term outcome will benefit Germany anyway.

by seren 13y ago

This is a case where, even if the businesses are failing, the mid to long term outcome will benefit Germany anyway.

the mid to long term outcome will benefit the whole world anyway Here, fixed that for you. (Pilot projects on a large scale are useful to all of us. Someone has to finally do it.)

kaybe 13y ago
True, and I'm fine with paying for that (I'm German). It's better than just having world summits that end in disagreement. Let's build amazing green technology, invest and then profit some from adaption and then see the real goal come true when everyone starts to make it. It might kill some companies in the end, but there's so much more at stake here.
- PavlovsCat 13y ago
  A man has made at least a start on discovering the meaning of human life when he plants shade trees under which he knows full well he will never sit. -- D. Elton Trueblood

drchaos 13y ago

How exactly do you think Germany (as a whole) could profit from this? With the EEG (Energie-Einspeise-Gesetz), the German government created an artificial solar bubble which is costing electricity customers several billions of Euros each year, only to fill the pockets of (mostly Chinese) panel producers, homeowners and companies who install that stuff, and last but not least the banks (most installations are financed by credit). The amount of electricity actually produced is almost neglible (a meager 3.1% in 2011), whereas the consumer price has almost doubled since 2005, and is now one of the highest in the world. Even if you assume that this giant experiment in planned economy would somehow lead to technological breakthroughs, making producing electricity via solar economically feasible in the long term, Germany would still have to recover the cost of 20+ years of subventions (which already amount to over 100 billion €, and that's only a fraction of the total sum which has been guaranteed by the EEG), while other countries with much better climatic conditions would be able to reap the majority of the profits.

Shivetya 13y ago
How about by forcing the government to admit it was a jobs program and not a program to improve the environment. How about the government officials having to acknowledge the burden their system puts upon their local manufacturers? So was it a jobs program or environmental? Politicians love to sell programs as one while really doing the other. Jobs programs tend to be vote buying schemes for the most part.
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  How about we call it an energy security program and be done with it.