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I don't think the idea is to 'flee', but to lead by example and use secure technologies so they become better and more convenient and spread faster. If everyon

I don't think the idea is to 'flee', but to lead by example and use secure technologies so they become better and more convenient and spread faster. If everyone used tools like this, it would be much more difficult for governments to trample on privacy rights. It seems like a worthy goal.

sharkweek 13y ago
But let's also be realistic -- if this technology reached mass adoption, the predictable outcomes are either 1) The government outlaws it or 2) They figure out ways to work around the security
- Joeboy 13y ago
  Mass adoption is a bulwark against legislation, not a promoter of it. Eg. alcohol is legal because it's popular, not because it's safer than drugs which are illegal.
  - vidarh 13y ago
    But even so, a large percentage of developed countries did prohibit alcohol for a few years, both despite and because of its popularity, and it took years of people being turned into criminals before those laws were rolled back. Popularity provides some protection, but it also creates a more desirable target for legislation amongst those who oppose it.
    - Joeboy 13y ago
      It seems to me that, for example, PGP is much more vulnerable to legislation than SSL, simply because of the latter's popularity. Not that I think either are currently particularly likely to be legislated.
h2s 13y ago
That's a very fair point. There's certainly nothing bad about making privacy conscious technology choices. I also think that the very URL of this project - http://prism-break.org/ http://prism-break.org/ - invokes a certain over-focus on NSA's PRISM. As a UK citizen, however, my Internet traffic itself is being stored and monitored by GCHQ. So to me it seems especially futile switching from Chrome to Firefox, or from Google to DDG, or from Facebook to Diaspora.
- peng 13y ago
  Unfortunately, https://prism-break.org/ https://prism-break.org/ was registered before Snowden's revelations about Tempora. I'm working on adjusting the site's wording to apply equally to all governmental surveillance.

sharkweek 13y ago

But let's also be realistic -- if this technology reached mass adoption, the predictable outcomes are either 1) The government outlaws it or 2) They figure out ways to work around the security

Joeboy 13y ago
Mass adoption is a bulwark against legislation, not a promoter of it. Eg. alcohol is legal because it's popular, not because it's safer than drugs which are illegal.
- vidarh 13y ago
  But even so, a large percentage of developed countries did prohibit alcohol for a few years, both despite and because of its popularity, and it took years of people being turned into criminals before those laws were rolled back. Popularity provides some protection, but it also creates a more desirable target for legislation amongst those who oppose it.
  - Joeboy 13y ago
    It seems to me that, for example, PGP is much more vulnerable to legislation than SSL, simply because of the latter's popularity. Not that I think either are currently particularly likely to be legislated.

h2s 13y ago

That's a very fair point. There's certainly nothing bad about making privacy conscious technology choices. I also think that the very URL of this project - http://prism-break.org/ http://prism-break.org/ - invokes a certain over-focus on NSA's PRISM. As a UK citizen, however, my Internet traffic itself is being stored and monitored by GCHQ. So to me it seems especially futile switching from Chrome to Firefox, or from Google to DDG, or from Facebook to Diaspora.

peng 13y ago
Unfortunately, https://prism-break.org/ https://prism-break.org/ was registered before Snowden's revelations about Tempora. I'm working on adjusting the site's wording to apply equally to all governmental surveillance.