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I've never seen a clearer demonstration of why you shouldn't say a word to the police if you ever come in contact with them. Those kids unwittingly admitted to

by wilfra 13y ago

I've never seen a clearer demonstration of why you shouldn't say a word to the police if you ever come in contact with them. Those kids unwittingly admitted to crimes when explaining to the police what happened, and were arrested on the basis of things they said. If they had just shut up and asked if they were under or arrest or if they could leave, they all would have walked away.

waps 13y ago
That's a very cynical view, isn't it ? That was a correct arrest. Sure if you regularly commit crimes, never cooperate any more than the law requires with anyone, least of all the police or anyone in official function, as any criminal lawyer will tell you a million times. IANAL, but that's probably good advice.
- thomasjoulin 13y ago
  Relevant : Don't Talk to Police (especially if you're innocent) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
  - coldpie 13y ago
    Everybody in the United States needs to watch this video. Thank you for posting it.
- glogla 13y ago
  Sure. Problem is when things are crimes but are not wrong. If the guy in the linked "don't talk to police" video is right, everyone in the US is commiting felony every day. But are they doing something wrong?
Detrus 13y ago
Yea a little brother future won't change these cases for most people. If everything is recorded you won't have to say anything to the police, you'll be arrested anyway.
aclevernickname 13y ago
silence is considered a commercial dishonor, and allows the other party to dictate the terms of the contract you're negotiating. Police are excellent contract negotiators ("you are under arrest" is a contract offer, legally), and are trained that if you're not in acceptance with their offers/orders, they pretty much get to do whatever they want to/with you. Seems the Supreme Court disagrees with your opinion as well [1]. [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-silence_n_3453968.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-silen...
- steveklabnik 13y ago
  > ("you are under arrest" is a contract offer, legally), Could you, uh, expand on this?
  - seren 13y ago
    This looks like some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land which is a fringe belief in how the law operates.
    - aclevernickname 13y ago
      First of all, those guys are terrorists. That's extraordinarily rude to lump me in with them. Second, Your comment is an ad-hominem [1], unless you can provide evidence that I believe what they believe. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
      - seren 13y ago
        I am not saying you are an adherent to this movement, but to my uninitiated eyes, it looks like some thing I have seen said or written by FOTLer, namely the reference to contract, etc, but I agree this was bad form to infer that you were a supporter of all or any idiosyncrasies of these groups.
  - aclevernickname 13y ago

by wilfra 13y ago

waps 13y ago

That's a very cynical view, isn't it ? That was a correct arrest. Sure if you regularly commit crimes, never cooperate any more than the law requires with anyone, least of all the police or anyone in official function, as any criminal lawyer will tell you a million times. IANAL, but that's probably good advice.

thomasjoulin 13y ago
Relevant : Don't Talk to Police (especially if you're innocent) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
- coldpie 13y ago
  Everybody in the United States needs to watch this video. Thank you for posting it.
glogla 13y ago
Sure. Problem is when things are crimes but are not wrong. If the guy in the linked "don't talk to police" video is right, everyone in the US is commiting felony every day. But are they doing something wrong?

Detrus 13y ago

Yea a little brother future won't change these cases for most people. If everything is recorded you won't have to say anything to the police, you'll be arrested anyway.

aclevernickname 13y ago

silence is considered a commercial dishonor, and allows the other party to dictate the terms of the contract you're negotiating. Police are excellent contract negotiators ("you are under arrest" is a contract offer, legally), and are trained that if you're not in acceptance with their offers/orders, they pretty much get to do whatever they want to/with you. Seems the Supreme Court disagrees with your opinion as well [1]. [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-silence_n_3453968.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-silen...

steveklabnik 13y ago
> ("you are under arrest" is a contract offer, legally), Could you, uh, expand on this?
- seren 13y ago
  This looks like some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land which is a fringe belief in how the law operates.
  - aclevernickname 13y ago
    First of all, those guys are terrorists. That's extraordinarily rude to lump me in with them. Second, Your comment is an ad-hominem [1], unless you can provide evidence that I believe what they believe. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
    - seren 13y ago
      I am not saying you are an adherent to this movement, but to my uninitiated eyes, it looks like some thing I have seen said or written by FOTLer, namely the reference to contract, etc, but I agree this was bad form to infer that you were a supporter of all or any idiosyncrasies of these groups.
- aclevernickname 13y ago