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Switzerland: Say no to a surveillance state

137 points by kimlelly 13y ago

kimlelly 13y ago
If you have any family, friends, business colleagues in Switzerland, please forward this information / petition! EDIT: This is NOT like a whitehouse.gov petition! This one has a very real effect, so DO IT! EDIT 2: If anybody is on Slashdot or Reddit: please post about it there as well. Let's show them what the network effect is!
- redslazer 13y ago
  To clarify for people in other countries. When a petition gets 100,000 swiss signers than the governement must respond with a suggestion. The petition and suggestion then go to referendum. The decision of the people is final and government must implement the decision as long as it doesn't impeach some basic rules.
- kimlelly 13y ago
  I still don't see a post on Slashdot and/or Reddit! If you do, please post a the link here. If you don't, please post if you have an account there. Democracy says hi and thanks!
  - rasur 13y ago
    und jetzt hier: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1hw3n1/stop_the_surveillance_state_in_switzerland_swiss/ http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1hw3n1/stop_the_su... (Excuse the assumption you speak german! ;) )
    - kimlelly 13y ago
      Great, thanks! Everybody, vote that Reddit post up!
  - kimlelly 13y ago
    On slashdot: http://slashdot.org/submission/2785283/switzerland-say-no-to-a-surveillance-state http://slashdot.org/submission/2785283/switzerland-say-no-to...
danso 13y ago
Well, today I learned that a google search for 'BUPF' is not equivalent to 'BÜPF' (for your convenience: https://www.google.com/search?q=B%C3%9CPF&oq=B%C3%9CPF&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62.254j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=B%C3%9CPF&oq=B%C3%9CPF&aqs=c...) According to this article: http://netzpolitik.gruene.ch/nach-den-usa-nun-die-schweiz-grune-netzpolitikerinnen-gegen-bupf-und-ndg/ http://netzpolitik.gruene.ch/nach-den-usa-nun-die-schweiz-gr... The law in question has been updated to retain data for 12 months instead of 6 and authorizes the government to install Trojan type programs. Does anyone have more info on the Trojan type programs proposed?
- pjmlp 13y ago
  Well, you could try to search for BUEPF instead. In German when you cannot write the umlaut, an e gets added to the letter that should have the umlaut.
julochrobak 13y ago
It's a pity that foreigners who live for a long time in Switzerland cannot be part of this...
- kimlelly 13y ago
  Yes, you CAN ALL be part of this! The world's HN readers are now the LOBBYISTS of this petition! Yes, just like the corporate lobbyists in Washington - probably even more powerful considering our numbers. All you have to do is LOBBY the sh*t out of your colleagues in Switzerland. Everybody knows somebody in Switzerland. If the whole world lobbies the people in Switzerland, that petition will reach Mach10, like yesterday. EDIT: Why should you participate? You get to store your data in a western country that will continue to defend privacy and democracy.
- rasur 13y ago
  If you live in Switzerland legally, you are allowed to sign the petition.
  - julochrobak 13y ago
    really? this is great! thanks for the info. Do you have any link by hand which defines these rules? (i.e. what kind of permit do I have to have, does it differ from canton to canton? ...)
    - rasur 13y ago
      No links to hand I'm afraid, but I'm pretty sure that it's anything more permanent than a tourist visa. Don't think it varies by canton. I'll try and remember to dig about/ask my wife (sorry, just about to go to work..)
jc-denton 13y ago
I don't think that we will have a successful large scale gov IT project like they had overseas. Still wasting our tax money for this kind of crap is shame.
lawl 13y ago
You might want to see the discussions in the following thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6007255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6007255 To avoid redundancy.
StavrosK 13y ago
It took me a while to notice the Chrome bar that said this was translated from German. Wow, I wouldn't have thought so otherwise, it's impeccable. When's the deadline for this?

137 points by kimlelly 13y ago

If you have any family, friends, business colleagues in Switzerland, please forward this information / petition! EDIT: This is NOT like a whitehouse.gov petition! This one has a very real effect, so DO IT! EDIT 2: If anybody is on Slashdot or Reddit: please post about it there as well. Let's show them what the network effect is!

redslazer 13y ago
To clarify for people in other countries. When a petition gets 100,000 swiss signers than the governement must respond with a suggestion. The petition and suggestion then go to referendum. The decision of the people is final and government must implement the decision as long as it doesn't impeach some basic rules.
kimlelly 13y ago
I still don't see a post on Slashdot and/or Reddit! If you do, please post a the link here. If you don't, please post if you have an account there. Democracy says hi and thanks!
- rasur 13y ago
  und jetzt hier: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1hw3n1/stop_the_surveillance_state_in_switzerland_swiss/ http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1hw3n1/stop_the_su... (Excuse the assumption you speak german! ;) )
  - kimlelly 13y ago
    Great, thanks! Everybody, vote that Reddit post up!
- kimlelly 13y ago
  On slashdot: http://slashdot.org/submission/2785283/switzerland-say-no-to-a-surveillance-state http://slashdot.org/submission/2785283/switzerland-say-no-to...

danso 13y ago

Well, today I learned that a google search for 'BUPF' is not equivalent to 'BÜPF' (for your convenience: https://www.google.com/search?q=B%C3%9CPF&oq=B%C3%9CPF&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62.254j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=B%C3%9CPF&oq=B%C3%9CPF&aqs=c...) According to this article: http://netzpolitik.gruene.ch/nach-den-usa-nun-die-schweiz-grune-netzpolitikerinnen-gegen-bupf-und-ndg/ http://netzpolitik.gruene.ch/nach-den-usa-nun-die-schweiz-gr... The law in question has been updated to retain data for 12 months instead of 6 and authorizes the government to install Trojan type programs. Does anyone have more info on the Trojan type programs proposed?

pjmlp 13y ago
Well, you could try to search for BUEPF instead. In German when you cannot write the umlaut, an e gets added to the letter that should have the umlaut.

julochrobak 13y ago

It's a pity that foreigners who live for a long time in Switzerland cannot be part of this...

kimlelly 13y ago
Yes, you CAN ALL be part of this! The world's HN readers are now the LOBBYISTS of this petition! Yes, just like the corporate lobbyists in Washington - probably even more powerful considering our numbers. All you have to do is LOBBY the sh*t out of your colleagues in Switzerland. Everybody knows somebody in Switzerland. If the whole world lobbies the people in Switzerland, that petition will reach Mach10, like yesterday. EDIT: Why should you participate? You get to store your data in a western country that will continue to defend privacy and democracy.
rasur 13y ago
If you live in Switzerland legally, you are allowed to sign the petition.
- julochrobak 13y ago
  really? this is great! thanks for the info. Do you have any link by hand which defines these rules? (i.e. what kind of permit do I have to have, does it differ from canton to canton? ...)
  - rasur 13y ago
    No links to hand I'm afraid, but I'm pretty sure that it's anything more permanent than a tourist visa. Don't think it varies by canton. I'll try and remember to dig about/ask my wife (sorry, just about to go to work..)

jc-denton 13y ago

I don't think that we will have a successful large scale gov IT project like they had overseas. Still wasting our tax money for this kind of crap is shame.

lawl 13y ago

You might want to see the discussions in the following thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6007255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6007255 To avoid redundancy.

StavrosK 13y ago

It took me a while to notice the Chrome bar that said this was translated from German. Wow, I wouldn't have thought so otherwise, it's impeccable. When's the deadline for this?