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Guantanamo Bay is one of the most disgusting institutions in the "civilized world". How is this acceptable? Treating humans as garbage, no trial, just meat stor

Guantanamo Bay is one of the most disgusting institutions in the "civilized world". How is this acceptable? Treating humans as garbage, no trial, just meat stored for torture. Every day this piece of shit prison is open is a god damn disgrace for the entire human race.

BellsOnSunday 13y ago
Next time vote for someone who definitely, honest-to-god promises to close it if they get in. Of course, you might have done that last time as well...
- skore 13y ago
  Indeed. Obama blaming congress today is, unfortunately, a case of plausible deniability.
  - Amadou 13y ago
    I used to disagree with that sentiment, after all Congress did its best to stop the closure of Gitmo by not only blocking funding for the effort but also blocking the use of any pre-existing funds too. But then I read this: http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/the_obama_gitmo_myth/ http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/the_obama_gitmo_myth/ PS - am I alone in confusing Mos Def with MOSFET for about a decade and completely mispronouncing (and misunderstanding) the guy's stage name?
    - rjtavares 13y ago
      > am I alone in confusing Mos Def with MOSFET for about a decade and completely mispronouncing (and misunderstanding) the guy's stage name? Most Definitely.
  - peterkelly 13y ago
    "Yes we could've"
- sirsar 13y ago
  There was, initially, some semblance of progress: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantana...
bbwharris 13y ago
While I agree it is a disgrace, what do you plan to do with the detainees? If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem. I'm not defending it, I think it should be closed too. These humans have been subjected to complete hell.
- cabalamat 13y ago
  If they want to die, why not jut let them?
  - DanBC 13y ago
    Taking innocent taxi drivers, subjecting them to the "gift of democracy" that is extraordinary rendition and torture while being detained without trial or charge is already an effective recruiting tool for terrorists. Allowing the detainees to kill themselves turns them into martyrs, and becomes even more effective at turning people to violence. Don't forget that this behaviour just shifts the curve of moderateness towards extremism a little bit, but that makes extremism easier. People are more likely to donate money to organisations that promote violence; people turn a blind eye when they find out someone is planning something; people share information even if they're not going to use it themself, "Anti-West" sentiment is more acceptable, and so on. This means that the small number of actual terrorists find it easier to work.
    - speeder 13y ago
      US people don't realize how much US is hated... They are force fed so much propaganda on how US are heroes that go around the world saving people from evil, that they don't understand for example why lots of Brazillians cheered 9/11 (yes, Brazillians CHEERED 9/11, some even threw parties, the US people I knew that were here in Brazil acted very confused, not understanding at all why people would be happy that 10 thousand "good people" died)
      - jabbernotty 13y ago
        There were 3000 casualties.
rayiner 13y ago
Guantanamo has better conditions than most prisons. The "torture" happens elsewhere. You think a regular prison wouldn't engage in force feeding if prisoners went on hunger strike? See: http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/guantanamo-is-not-an-anomaly-prisoners-in-the-us-are-force-fed-every-day http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/guantanamo-is-not-an-an.... The problem with Guantanamo isn't the conditions. Its the legal limbo the prisoners are caught in.
- madaxe 13y ago
  Not in the UK they wouldn't, no. Only in your barbarous country do such things (legally) happen in prisons. We recently had a debate over Ian Brady staying in a mental prison vs. prison prison, as under psychiatric care they can force feed you, but not in prison.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    And only a limited number of people with mental health problems can be force fed. The person needs to be detained under section of the mental health act, and to lack capacity to make the decision.
    - madaxe 13y ago
      And Ian Brady doesn't lack that capacity. The judgment to keep him in Broadmoor was yet another example of "the moral state", not abiding by the rule of law, and instead abiding by selective, moral justice.
  - thufry 13y ago
    So they would let you die? I'm not sure that's clearly more humane.
    - 9h1d9j809s 13y ago
      Yes, it is. If you make my life hell, at least give me the freedom to die.
    - 13y ago

BellsOnSunday 13y ago

Next time vote for someone who definitely, honest-to-god promises to close it if they get in. Of course, you might have done that last time as well...

skore 13y ago
Indeed. Obama blaming congress today is, unfortunately, a case of plausible deniability.
- Amadou 13y ago
  I used to disagree with that sentiment, after all Congress did its best to stop the closure of Gitmo by not only blocking funding for the effort but also blocking the use of any pre-existing funds too. But then I read this: http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/the_obama_gitmo_myth/ http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/the_obama_gitmo_myth/ PS - am I alone in confusing Mos Def with MOSFET for about a decade and completely mispronouncing (and misunderstanding) the guy's stage name?
  - rjtavares 13y ago
    > am I alone in confusing Mos Def with MOSFET for about a decade and completely mispronouncing (and misunderstanding) the guy's stage name? Most Definitely.
- peterkelly 13y ago
  "Yes we could've"
sirsar 13y ago
There was, initially, some semblance of progress: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantana...

bbwharris 13y ago

While I agree it is a disgrace, what do you plan to do with the detainees? If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem. I'm not defending it, I think it should be closed too. These humans have been subjected to complete hell.

cabalamat 13y ago
If they want to die, why not jut let them?
- DanBC 13y ago
  Taking innocent taxi drivers, subjecting them to the "gift of democracy" that is extraordinary rendition and torture while being detained without trial or charge is already an effective recruiting tool for terrorists. Allowing the detainees to kill themselves turns them into martyrs, and becomes even more effective at turning people to violence. Don't forget that this behaviour just shifts the curve of moderateness towards extremism a little bit, but that makes extremism easier. People are more likely to donate money to organisations that promote violence; people turn a blind eye when they find out someone is planning something; people share information even if they're not going to use it themself, "Anti-West" sentiment is more acceptable, and so on. This means that the small number of actual terrorists find it easier to work.
  - speeder 13y ago
    US people don't realize how much US is hated... They are force fed so much propaganda on how US are heroes that go around the world saving people from evil, that they don't understand for example why lots of Brazillians cheered 9/11 (yes, Brazillians CHEERED 9/11, some even threw parties, the US people I knew that were here in Brazil acted very confused, not understanding at all why people would be happy that 10 thousand "good people" died)
    - jabbernotty 13y ago
      There were 3000 casualties.

rayiner 13y ago

Guantanamo has better conditions than most prisons. The "torture" happens elsewhere. You think a regular prison wouldn't engage in force feeding if prisoners went on hunger strike? See: http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/guantanamo-is-not-an-anomaly-prisoners-in-the-us-are-force-fed-every-day http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/guantanamo-is-not-an-an.... The problem with Guantanamo isn't the conditions. Its the legal limbo the prisoners are caught in.

madaxe 13y ago
Not in the UK they wouldn't, no. Only in your barbarous country do such things (legally) happen in prisons. We recently had a debate over Ian Brady staying in a mental prison vs. prison prison, as under psychiatric care they can force feed you, but not in prison.
- DanBC 13y ago
  And only a limited number of people with mental health problems can be force fed. The person needs to be detained under section of the mental health act, and to lack capacity to make the decision.
  - madaxe 13y ago
    And Ian Brady doesn't lack that capacity. The judgment to keep him in Broadmoor was yet another example of "the moral state", not abiding by the rule of law, and instead abiding by selective, moral justice.
- thufry 13y ago
  So they would let you die? I'm not sure that's clearly more humane.
  - 9h1d9j809s 13y ago
    Yes, it is. If you make my life hell, at least give me the freedom to die.
  - 13y ago