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Nothing new? Did you even read the article? "Tempora is the first 'I save everything' approach ('full take') in the intelligence world. It sucks in all data, n

by halviti 13y ago

Nothing new? Did you even read the article? "Tempora is the first 'I save everything' approach ('full take') in the intelligence world. It sucks in all data, no matter what it is, and which rights are violated by it" The other systems have always been given some degree of plausible deniability by government doing some hand-waving and suggesting that they have controlled methods by which wiretaps are only placed on specific targets, for specific reasons, etc. etc. When you start saving everything, especially stuff that you know you are not supposed to, you are violating UK law (Human Rights Act of 1988) as well as international law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive) Trying to pass this off as nothing to be concerned about means that you are not paying attention, or don't care.

ra 13y ago
Yes of course I read the article. Tempora isn't new news either [1]. > Trying to pass this off as nothing to be concerned about means that you are not paying attention, or don't care. Did you even read my comment? Where did I say nothing to be concerned about? [1] https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=Tempora https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=Tempora
powertower 13y ago
> When you start saving everything I'm pretty sure that's media sensationalism - were they get quite ahead of the facts and details, and spin the headlines. Or worse, leave out the logic of it all and replace it with something else - the narative the reader wants to believe (ex: they are gathering data on me to be used against me). Not only does it take time to process the data, but an operational window (of that data) needs to be maintained for the next couple of days - were that data can be cross-referenced with the new feed and possibly be mind and connected to new events as they are unfolding. As otherwise it's useless. The data is filtered for specific targets, or on specific triggers, or graph data, which is then kept. The rest (like 99.9999995% or more) is just noise that has no use to intelligence gathering - and I don't see why anyone would store it - or would want to store it.

by halviti 13y ago

ra 13y ago

Yes of course I read the article. Tempora isn't new news either [1]. > Trying to pass this off as nothing to be concerned about means that you are not paying attention, or don't care. Did you even read my comment? Where did I say nothing to be concerned about? [1] https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=Tempora https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=Tempora

powertower 13y ago

> When you start saving everything I'm pretty sure that's media sensationalism - were they get quite ahead of the facts and details, and spin the headlines. Or worse, leave out the logic of it all and replace it with something else - the narative the reader wants to believe (ex: they are gathering data on me to be used against me). Not only does it take time to process the data, but an operational window (of that data) needs to be maintained for the next couple of days - were that data can be cross-referenced with the new feed and possibly be mind and connected to new events as they are unfolding. As otherwise it's useless. The data is filtered for specific targets, or on specific triggers, or graph data, which is then kept. The rest (like 99.9999995% or more) is just noise that has no use to intelligence gathering - and I don't see why anyone would store it - or would want to store it.