> [2] If you think the US is the only one doing this, or if the world should just hold hands and sing Kumbaya: get a clue. 1) Governments spying on governments

> [2] If you think the US is the only one doing this, or if the world should just hold hands and sing Kumbaya: get a clue. 1) Governments spying on governments, sure. On foreign businesses even, sure, if they're big or important enough, I've heard that too. But does any other country do indiscriminate mass surveillance on the entire US population? Make no mistake, this is the informational equivalent of carpet bombing other countries. And not just your purported and declared "enemies" but even your friends and allies. You should not wonder if you end up having none. 2) "It's right because other people do it too / did it first." Hm, grow up? 3) "It's ok because it's always been done like that." Don't I love this time-based argument. So it was ok to have concentration camps in 1944 because they've been there in 1943? Or where is the line? And who determines it?