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Tsunami situation verified. Relax, nobody on our side wants a violent revolution. The only hills you will find are the global enlightened community. You will i

by jaekwon 13y ago

Tsunami situation verified. Relax, nobody on our side wants a violent revolution. The only hills you will find are the global enlightened community. You will initially get depressed as you see the injustice around you. You can deny what you see and go back to browsing Facebook. Or, you can embrace the movement. I've been traveling the rabbit hole and I assure you that the thing is manageable if you put your time into it. Here are some guidelines: - You already have local communities (hacker/creative spaces) that have members who are on top of the news and working to escape the system. Find them. - Find the commonality between libertarianism, anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-socialism. None of these ideologies are sufficient, but the conversations and debates are converging. - Learn history and social/economic sciences. The history of debt money, the collapse of rome, today's corporate power structures, etc. - Understand how the dollar works and how it's controlled and enforced. Support alternative currencies. - Support open hardware. The EFF is your friend. Learn more about encryption and understand the vulnerabilities online and offline. I could go on, share links, etc.

user24 13y ago
> I could go on, share links, etc. Please do.
- jaekwon 13y ago
  We're understanding our reality better. Whistleblower leaks and more... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSKpL87_Rs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSKpL87_Rs - http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/ http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-... - http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/1781 http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/1781 - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218189/-HBGary-Palantir-Prism-Facebook-The-Industrial-Surveillance-Complex http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218189/-HBGary-Pal... Books illuminate how power works - http://www.amazon.com/The-Master-Switch-Information-Empires/dp/1455884391 http://www.amazon.com/The-Master-Switch-Information-Empires/... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People's_History_of_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People's_History_of_the_Unite... (I haven't read it yet, I've heard good and bad things about the book) - http://daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf http://daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf (I've only skimmed a few sections, but I suspect this is good to understand anarcho-capitalism) To combat low level surveillance, we need open hardware. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_projects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_pr... - http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686 Our own mesh network for community penetration. Mesh networks sort of died off a decade ago, but there is a resurgence. - http://karmanebula.com/chicagomeshnet/ http://karmanebula.com/chicagomeshnet/ - https://www.wepay.com/donations/oakland-community-mesh-network https://www.wepay.com/donations/oakland-community-mesh-netwo... Bitcoin is still growing, and more people are understanding the mechanism behind it. Many altcoins are just Bitcoin ripoffs, but we'll see interesting developments going forward. - https://cryptocointalk.com https://cryptocointalk.com - There are many technologies and protocols being built for distributed exchanges, etc. Discussions under bitcointalk.org etc. Other links - http://liberationtechnology.stanford.edu/ http://liberationtechnology.stanford.edu/ - https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-July/thread.html https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-J... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism - http://www.democracynow.org/ http://www.democracynow.org/ - http://www.dailykos.com/ http://www.dailykos.com/ Those have just been on my mind recently. Reddit is actually a good source of reading material once you have an account, unfollow stupid subreddits and follow the right ones like politics, worldnews, restorethefourth, libertarian, anarcho_* etc.
steveklabnik 13y ago
> find the commonality between libertarianism, anarcho-capitalism, and anarcho-socialism. There is no commonality. At it's core, anarchism wishes to abolish capitalism, and libertarians/ancaps wish to keep it. It's a fundamental disagreement that starts the conversation off. There's no reconciliation here.
- mindcrime 13y ago
  Well, both camps agree that the State as we know it today is mostly a Bad Thing, so there is some common ground. That said, you're right to suggest that it's hard for anarcho-socialist types and an-cap types to cooperate. Strangely enough, however, I find that it's usually the anarcho-socialist types who want nothing to do with an-caps, even when our goals do overlap. I guess they don't care much for the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thinking, even in a limited scenario. Personally, I think if we could accomplish a RADICAL reduction in the size, scope and power of the State, that that would be a great first step, and we could then start figuring out what to do about economic systems and the property debate. But that's just me...
  - steveklabnik 13y ago
    Saying "their goals overlap" is a fundamental misunderstanding of the anarchist position. Ancaps are not "the enemy of my enemy," they are my (in my anarchist days...) enemy: capitalists. If you radically reduce the state without protecting the poor, you end up doing more harm to the poor. That's why anarchists are, for example, anti-austerity, even though it could be construed as "making the state smaller." Anarchists are for _the liberation of the working class_, (and all people...) and happen to believe that the state is one of the largest obstacles in achieving that goal. But removing the state without protections is just going to do far more harm than good. You can also see this in their histories: anarchism comes from the First International, and is primarily about a means dispute with Marxists. ancap/voluntaryism comes from Rothbard, (who incidentally said that ancaps aren't anarchists...) who is... just a bit different than Marx. To understate it. Ancaps and anarchists have almost nothing in common.
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by jaekwon 13y ago

user24 13y ago

> I could go on, share links, etc. Please do.

jaekwon 13y ago
We're understanding our reality better. Whistleblower leaks and more... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSKpL87_Rs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSKpL87_Rs - http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/ http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-... - http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/1781 http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/1781 - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218189/-HBGary-Palantir-Prism-Facebook-The-Industrial-Surveillance-Complex http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218189/-HBGary-Pal... Books illuminate how power works - http://www.amazon.com/The-Master-Switch-Information-Empires/dp/1455884391 http://www.amazon.com/The-Master-Switch-Information-Empires/... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People's_History_of_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People's_History_of_the_Unite... (I haven't read it yet, I've heard good and bad things about the book) - http://daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf http://daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf (I've only skimmed a few sections, but I suspect this is good to understand anarcho-capitalism) To combat low level surveillance, we need open hardware. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_projects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_pr... - http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686 Our own mesh network for community penetration. Mesh networks sort of died off a decade ago, but there is a resurgence. - http://karmanebula.com/chicagomeshnet/ http://karmanebula.com/chicagomeshnet/ - https://www.wepay.com/donations/oakland-community-mesh-network https://www.wepay.com/donations/oakland-community-mesh-netwo... Bitcoin is still growing, and more people are understanding the mechanism behind it. Many altcoins are just Bitcoin ripoffs, but we'll see interesting developments going forward. - https://cryptocointalk.com https://cryptocointalk.com - There are many technologies and protocols being built for distributed exchanges, etc. Discussions under bitcointalk.org etc. Other links - http://liberationtechnology.stanford.edu/ http://liberationtechnology.stanford.edu/ - https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-July/thread.html https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-J... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism - http://www.democracynow.org/ http://www.democracynow.org/ - http://www.dailykos.com/ http://www.dailykos.com/ Those have just been on my mind recently. Reddit is actually a good source of reading material once you have an account, unfollow stupid subreddits and follow the right ones like politics, worldnews, restorethefourth, libertarian, anarcho_* etc.

steveklabnik 13y ago

> find the commonality between libertarianism, anarcho-capitalism, and anarcho-socialism. There is no commonality. At it's core, anarchism wishes to abolish capitalism, and libertarians/ancaps wish to keep it. It's a fundamental disagreement that starts the conversation off. There's no reconciliation here.

mindcrime 13y ago
Well, both camps agree that the State as we know it today is mostly a Bad Thing, so there is some common ground. That said, you're right to suggest that it's hard for anarcho-socialist types and an-cap types to cooperate. Strangely enough, however, I find that it's usually the anarcho-socialist types who want nothing to do with an-caps, even when our goals do overlap. I guess they don't care much for the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thinking, even in a limited scenario. Personally, I think if we could accomplish a RADICAL reduction in the size, scope and power of the State, that that would be a great first step, and we could then start figuring out what to do about economic systems and the property debate. But that's just me...
- steveklabnik 13y ago
  Saying "their goals overlap" is a fundamental misunderstanding of the anarchist position. Ancaps are not "the enemy of my enemy," they are my (in my anarchist days...) enemy: capitalists. If you radically reduce the state without protecting the poor, you end up doing more harm to the poor. That's why anarchists are, for example, anti-austerity, even though it could be construed as "making the state smaller." Anarchists are for _the liberation of the working class_, (and all people...) and happen to believe that the state is one of the largest obstacles in achieving that goal. But removing the state without protections is just going to do far more harm than good. You can also see this in their histories: anarchism comes from the First International, and is primarily about a means dispute with Marxists. ancap/voluntaryism comes from Rothbard, (who incidentally said that ancaps aren't anarchists...) who is... just a bit different than Marx. To understate it. Ancaps and anarchists have almost nothing in common.
  - 13y ago