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I do. The last of my Microsoft friends switched recently. A lot of the best .Net development now happens in VMWare, believe it or not. Although rather than "do

I do. The last of my Microsoft friends switched recently. A lot of the best .Net development now happens in VMWare, believe it or not. Although rather than "dowdy and unsexy" I'd say the signal you're sending by pulling out a PC laptop is that you either can't evaluate good design or you don't see it as a priority.

zcrar70 17y ago
> the signal you're sending by pulling out a PC laptop is that you either can't evaluate good design or you don't see it as a priority. You could also argue that by pulling out a Mac laptop, you're sending out the signal that good design is the only thing you're capable of evaluating. I agree that Macs are good-looking machines, and that OSX is aesthetically superior to Windows and Gnome/KDE, but surely that shouldn't be the main driver for choosing an OS or a machine over another? There isn't a day that I don't wish my Linux desktop looked better, but I still use that over the Mac because I find it a better development environment, even if it doesn't give me a warm glow inside each time I look at it.
- jedwhite 17y ago
  I've been using Ubuntu as my main development environment as a while (mostly Eclipse with Rails/Python and still a bit of Java), but having started using a Mac for my notebook again, I have to say that as a development machine it is pretty sweet. Everything is well integrated and you spend a lot less time keeping the environment running. Now I know with Gnome/KDE that half the appeal IS that you have real control over the environment. But as a result you spend a lot of time futzing around setting it up the way you want, and a lot of time managing just keeping things running together. I still haven't had time to figure out all the things that broke after moving to 9.0.4 (like Google Gadgets and Flash in Firefox for a start). Don't get me wrong cause none of that is hard and I love playing with that stuff as much as the next guy. But there is no question that you spend a lot less time worrying about those things (because you like it or not) coding on a Mac.

zcrar70 17y ago

> the signal you're sending by pulling out a PC laptop is that you either can't evaluate good design or you don't see it as a priority. You could also argue that by pulling out a Mac laptop, you're sending out the signal that good design is the only thing you're capable of evaluating. I agree that Macs are good-looking machines, and that OSX is aesthetically superior to Windows and Gnome/KDE, but surely that shouldn't be the main driver for choosing an OS or a machine over another? There isn't a day that I don't wish my Linux desktop looked better, but I still use that over the Mac because I find it a better development environment, even if it doesn't give me a warm glow inside each time I look at it.

jedwhite 17y ago
I've been using Ubuntu as my main development environment as a while (mostly Eclipse with Rails/Python and still a bit of Java), but having started using a Mac for my notebook again, I have to say that as a development machine it is pretty sweet. Everything is well integrated and you spend a lot less time keeping the environment running. Now I know with Gnome/KDE that half the appeal IS that you have real control over the environment. But as a result you spend a lot of time futzing around setting it up the way you want, and a lot of time managing just keeping things running together. I still haven't had time to figure out all the things that broke after moving to 9.0.4 (like Google Gadgets and Flash in Firefox for a start). Don't get me wrong cause none of that is hard and I love playing with that stuff as much as the next guy. But there is no question that you spend a lot less time worrying about those things (because you like it or not) coding on a Mac.