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It's hard to comment on this post considering how many times we've seen the "HN-is-dying" meme, but for me this time it really resonates. What has made HN inte
by hammerzeit 13y ago
It's hard to comment on this post considering how many times we've seen the "HN-is-dying" meme, but for me this time it really resonates.
What has made HN interesting is the fact that it was boring to the vast majority of people on this planet. The topics were generally speaking on a very specific set of subjects that you largely had to be in the technology world (and of a certain technical disposition) to relate to.
The relative boringness of these topics led to comments by folks who found them particularly fascinating, setting a high community standard and discouraging soapboxing (comparatively speaking, of course -- I'm under no illusions that HN was ever the most pristine and idealistic place). For a long time I thought PG did a good job of enforcing that culture by shutting down off-topic conversations and keeping the focus fairly intense.
The problem with political posts is that they are often extremely relevant to hackers, especially these days. But everyone finds politics interesting, and everyone (myself included) believes their political beliefs are equally valid. Watching snarky posts and soapboxes get rewarded does send a message that this is how to get noticed. Long-term, I fear this fundamentally coarsens the level of discourse by making it easier to dismiss the beliefs of others and making it easier to participate in situations where I feel ignorant.
Unfortunately, I think there's only one way I know of to stop this -- which would be for PG and/or the moderators to take an active role in enforcing the "no politics" rule that's already in the guidelines. But I think they're perhaps legitimately concerned about censorship -- anathema to hackers -- and have kept a loose hand. Beyond that I'm not sure what they can do.
- twoodfin 13y agoI thought pg was just waiting for this stuff to blow over post-Snowden, but maybe he's happy with the direction the community has taken. That's fine, it's his site, and I've noticed an interesting inverse correlation between the quality of hn and /r/programming posts which will hopefully continue.
- drone 13y agoDefinitely not intimating that "HN is dying," more pointing out that pure community-based "karma" systems will veer towards popular politics in the given community. Considering the concept that such a transition is universal for any site that doesn't heavily moderate - as politics seem to the #1 sport in the world.
- GFischer 13y agoOn one hand, I like the "politics" posts (especially the Snowden-related ones). On the other, I also agree that they mostly detract from the "unique" HN topics, BUT I like discussing them WITH the HN crowd (not with whomever might hang around on other sites). I also feel like I can contribute more to these kind of posts than to others that I also find interesting and more on-topic (Javascript library for reactive documents, how to hack a high-performance board for a notebook, etc...) Would it be possible to "wall off" the politics posts from the HN "main topic" posts? Much like what's done with the Ask HN posts...