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" Pitching on a PC sends a subtle signal of dowdiness and "unsexy"." I know this is just this guy's opinion, but does anyone else here share it? I don't.

DannoHung 17y ago
I do think that Keynote blows PowerPoint out of the water, but I think it would blow PowerPoint out of the water on any platform.
- jedwhite 17y ago
  I think it's more than just Keynote though. Keynote blows Powerpoint away because it is philsophically different, and that philosophy is inherited from its operating environment and the DNA of the company that made it.
jhickner 17y ago
I do. The last of my Microsoft friends switched recently. A lot of the best .Net development now happens in VMWare, believe it or not. Although rather than "dowdy and unsexy" I'd say the signal you're sending by pulling out a PC laptop is that you either can't evaluate good design or you don't see it as a priority.
- zcrar70 17y ago
  > the signal you're sending by pulling out a PC laptop is that you either can't evaluate good design or you don't see it as a priority. You could also argue that by pulling out a Mac laptop, you're sending out the signal that good design is the only thing you're capable of evaluating. I agree that Macs are good-looking machines, and that OSX is aesthetically superior to Windows and Gnome/KDE, but surely that shouldn't be the main driver for choosing an OS or a machine over another? There isn't a day that I don't wish my Linux desktop looked better, but I still use that over the Mac because I find it a better development environment, even if it doesn't give me a warm glow inside each time I look at it.
  - jedwhite 17y ago
    I've been using Ubuntu as my main development environment as a while (mostly Eclipse with Rails/Python and still a bit of Java), but having started using a Mac for my notebook again, I have to say that as a development machine it is pretty sweet. Everything is well integrated and you spend a lot less time keeping the environment running. Now I know with Gnome/KDE that half the appeal IS that you have real control over the environment. But as a result you spend a lot of time futzing around setting it up the way you want, and a lot of time managing just keeping things running together. I still haven't had time to figure out all the things that broke after moving to 9.0.4 (like Google Gadgets and Flash in Firefox for a start). Don't get me wrong cause none of that is hard and I love playing with that stuff as much as the next guy. But there is no question that you spend a lot less time worrying about those things (because you like it or not) coding on a Mac.

DannoHung 17y ago

I do think that Keynote blows PowerPoint out of the water, but I think it would blow PowerPoint out of the water on any platform.

jedwhite 17y ago
I think it's more than just Keynote though. Keynote blows Powerpoint away because it is philsophically different, and that philosophy is inherited from its operating environment and the DNA of the company that made it.

jhickner 17y ago

I do. The last of my Microsoft friends switched recently. A lot of the best .Net development now happens in VMWare, believe it or not. Although rather than "dowdy and unsexy" I'd say the signal you're sending by pulling out a PC laptop is that you either can't evaluate good design or you don't see it as a priority.

zcrar70 17y ago
> the signal you're sending by pulling out a PC laptop is that you either can't evaluate good design or you don't see it as a priority. You could also argue that by pulling out a Mac laptop, you're sending out the signal that good design is the only thing you're capable of evaluating. I agree that Macs are good-looking machines, and that OSX is aesthetically superior to Windows and Gnome/KDE, but surely that shouldn't be the main driver for choosing an OS or a machine over another? There isn't a day that I don't wish my Linux desktop looked better, but I still use that over the Mac because I find it a better development environment, even if it doesn't give me a warm glow inside each time I look at it.
- jedwhite 17y ago
  I've been using Ubuntu as my main development environment as a while (mostly Eclipse with Rails/Python and still a bit of Java), but having started using a Mac for my notebook again, I have to say that as a development machine it is pretty sweet. Everything is well integrated and you spend a lot less time keeping the environment running. Now I know with Gnome/KDE that half the appeal IS that you have real control over the environment. But as a result you spend a lot of time futzing around setting it up the way you want, and a lot of time managing just keeping things running together. I still haven't had time to figure out all the things that broke after moving to 9.0.4 (like Google Gadgets and Flash in Firefox for a start). Don't get me wrong cause none of that is hard and I love playing with that stuff as much as the next guy. But there is no question that you spend a lot less time worrying about those things (because you like it or not) coding on a Mac.