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Reposting this from the killed-dog-thread. It certainly won't help when the SWAT team is already in your home, but for the creeping sense of out of control cops

Reposting this from the killed-dog-thread. It certainly won't help when the SWAT team is already in your home, but for the creeping sense of out of control cops everywhere: "Most of us carry video cameras in our pockets now. Filming police needs to become ubiquitous. There should be no police officer in the United States that doesn't know that at any time they could be being filmed and held accountable for their actions by the public they are paid to protect and serve. It is one case where I think constant citizen surveillance could be useful. After a few years of it and constant court rulings that it is protected, perhaps cops would stop yelling at people and arresting them for doing nothing wrong. Yes, I'm talking to everyone on this site. If you are walking back from grabbing a burrito and see the cops "talking to" a homeless person on the street, or pulling over a driver for running a red light or detaining someone, /you/ need to stop for 5-10 minutes, get out your camera phone, and start filming. Please. For the love of a police state run amuck."

GFischer 13y ago
I don't live in the United States, but the LAST thing you want to do over there is to film an officer. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008566,00.html http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008566,00.ht... By the way, my father recalls from when my country was a dictatorship that "you couldn't take photos of police or military, or you were arrested". Democratic U.S.A. is doing the same..
- llamataboot 13y ago
  You may be harrassed if you film cops, but it is plainly legal[1], and the courts have recently begun to be more aggressive about slapping down municipalities that try to restrict it.[2] Normalizing it will go a long way to keeping police from thinking they can harass activist-types that are filming cops. I have been filming cops with copwatch groups from the days we had to carry big shoulder mounted video cameras. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glik_v._Cunniffe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glik_v._Cunniffe 2) http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/05/7-rules-for-recording-police http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/05/7-rules-for-recording-...
  - sophacles 13y ago
    Legality doesn't stop regular occurrences of filmers being arrested for "obstruction of justice".
    - sliverstorm 13y ago
      Then get arrested. What ever happened to civil disobedience?
    - llamataboot 13y ago
      Like I said, I have filmed a lot of police interactions. I have been harassed many times, but never arrested. I /have/ been arrested for obstruction of legal process once. Ironically, it was a time when I wasn't filming and just standing off to the side taking notes. If you do get arrested, you can both win damages for yourself and often change the entire written rules of a police department by suing. But again, normalizing this will go a long way to people not getting harassed and cops knowing that they could be being filmes in any public interaction at any time.
      - sophacles 13y ago
        I am arguing only that you suggest harassment is the worst that will happen. There is much much much documentation that the worst is far worse than harassment. I am not disputing the potential (not at all as certain as you seem to think) of getting damages even. Merely that arrest and court is far beyond harassment. I agree with the normalizing of the circumstances aspect of your argument. Basically I am saying the fact that you haven't been arrested does not in any way (logically, evidentially or even anecdotally) suggest that this the case one should prepare for.
    - jcromartie 13y ago
      The fact that people get arrested for exercising their rights is a fantastic reason to exercise those same rights as often as possible. Would you have told civil rights protestors to stop sit-ins or marches?
- jcromartie 13y ago
  Thankfully those (grand jury...) charges were thrown out. The judge established, at least in Maryland, that police DO NOT have a reasonable right to privacy while carrying out their duties in public.
macspoofing 13y ago
This may be one beneficial side-effect of Google glass and related products.
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seiji 13y ago
Is there a service to record live streams online (easily, cheap/free) from phones? The key is to send the live stream out for storage. Common "we'll sync after the video is recorded" services are no good if you get your phone destroyed half way through trying to record.
- cypherpunks01 13y ago
  A lot of Occupy Wall Street folks were using Bambuser (http://bambuser.com/ http://bambuser.com/) to do this, check it out.
- Wingman4l7 13y ago
  I just read about a service that covers this use-case (sorry, I can't for the life of me find it now). It streams low-quality video to a server to cover for the eventuality that the phone is destroyed. I'm pretty sure it was some sort of open-source software that wasn't Bambuser.
  - arrayjam 13y ago
    OpenWatch: https://openwatch.net/ https://openwatch.net/ iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openwatch-social-muckraking/id642680756?ls=1&mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openwatch-social-muckraking/... Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ale.openwatch&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ale.openwa...
- spiritplumber 13y ago
  On slow connections you can use Robotsanywhere. No audio, but it will work well at 1G/2G speeds. If you can't find it on google play email robotsanywhere@robots-everywhere.com to get the latest build and/or source.
Ziomislaw 13y ago
unless they see the camera and kill you for "espionage"
quantumpotato_ 13y ago
An affordable Google Glass could make this a reality.

GFischer 13y ago

I don't live in the United States, but the LAST thing you want to do over there is to film an officer. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008566,00.html http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008566,00.ht... By the way, my father recalls from when my country was a dictatorship that "you couldn't take photos of police or military, or you were arrested". Democratic U.S.A. is doing the same..

llamataboot 13y ago
You may be harrassed if you film cops, but it is plainly legal[1], and the courts have recently begun to be more aggressive about slapping down municipalities that try to restrict it.[2] Normalizing it will go a long way to keeping police from thinking they can harass activist-types that are filming cops. I have been filming cops with copwatch groups from the days we had to carry big shoulder mounted video cameras. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glik_v._Cunniffe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glik_v._Cunniffe 2) http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/05/7-rules-for-recording-police http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/05/7-rules-for-recording-...
- sophacles 13y ago
  Legality doesn't stop regular occurrences of filmers being arrested for "obstruction of justice".
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    Then get arrested. What ever happened to civil disobedience?
  - llamataboot 13y ago
    Like I said, I have filmed a lot of police interactions. I have been harassed many times, but never arrested. I /have/ been arrested for obstruction of legal process once. Ironically, it was a time when I wasn't filming and just standing off to the side taking notes. If you do get arrested, you can both win damages for yourself and often change the entire written rules of a police department by suing. But again, normalizing this will go a long way to people not getting harassed and cops knowing that they could be being filmes in any public interaction at any time.
    - sophacles 13y ago
      I am arguing only that you suggest harassment is the worst that will happen. There is much much much documentation that the worst is far worse than harassment. I am not disputing the potential (not at all as certain as you seem to think) of getting damages even. Merely that arrest and court is far beyond harassment. I agree with the normalizing of the circumstances aspect of your argument. Basically I am saying the fact that you haven't been arrested does not in any way (logically, evidentially or even anecdotally) suggest that this the case one should prepare for.
  - jcromartie 13y ago
    The fact that people get arrested for exercising their rights is a fantastic reason to exercise those same rights as often as possible. Would you have told civil rights protestors to stop sit-ins or marches?
jcromartie 13y ago
Thankfully those (grand jury...) charges were thrown out. The judge established, at least in Maryland, that police DO NOT have a reasonable right to privacy while carrying out their duties in public.

macspoofing 13y ago

This may be one beneficial side-effect of Google glass and related products.

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seiji 13y ago

Is there a service to record live streams online (easily, cheap/free) from phones? The key is to send the live stream out for storage. Common "we'll sync after the video is recorded" services are no good if you get your phone destroyed half way through trying to record.

cypherpunks01 13y ago
A lot of Occupy Wall Street folks were using Bambuser (http://bambuser.com/ http://bambuser.com/) to do this, check it out.
Wingman4l7 13y ago
I just read about a service that covers this use-case (sorry, I can't for the life of me find it now). It streams low-quality video to a server to cover for the eventuality that the phone is destroyed. I'm pretty sure it was some sort of open-source software that wasn't Bambuser.
- arrayjam 13y ago
  OpenWatch: https://openwatch.net/ https://openwatch.net/ iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openwatch-social-muckraking/id642680756?ls=1&mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openwatch-social-muckraking/... Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ale.openwatch&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ale.openwa...
spiritplumber 13y ago
On slow connections you can use Robotsanywhere. No audio, but it will work well at 1G/2G speeds. If you can't find it on google play email robotsanywhere@robots-everywhere.com to get the latest build and/or source.

Ziomislaw 13y ago

unless they see the camera and kill you for "espionage"

quantumpotato_ 13y ago

An affordable Google Glass could make this a reality.