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Isn't the first story in the article a clear case of entrapment? The cop encouraged the guy to do something and then killed him for it.

by nnnnni 13y ago

mikeash 13y ago
I think we can just call it murder. "Entrapment" implies that the end result was that he was punished in what would have been a lawful way if he had committed the crime of his own accord.
blendergasket 13y ago
Entrapment seems to be a common tactic. The details of most of the arrests of would-be terrorists that they catch in the US are clear cases of entrapment. The FBI/NYPD/some paid informant finds some antisocial/inept guy who's floundering in his life and try to radicalize him and then give him a plan and tools to carry out some terrorist act. Here's one case, but there are many: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/26/taliban-sympathiser-arrest-fbi-informant-tactics http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/26/taliban-sympathi... Pay attention to the details next time you read about a foiled terror plot in the US. A couple of them seem to have been legit but most follow the pattern. [Edit] I became curious about what happened to this guy so I Googled him and found this: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/04/26/alleged-taliban-sympathizing-felon-sent-to-prison-for-shooting-gun/ http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/04/26/alleged-taliban-sy... looks like they threw the book at him and sent him to prison for 8 years for having fired a gun at a firing range. [/Edit]
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tsotha 13y ago
Entrapment laws are a defense from prosecution, and they're different in every state. Normally it's only entrapment if the cop is enticing someone to break a law he wouldn't have broken otherwise. In this case if the guy was betting on games every Sunday the jury probably would have taken a dim view of an entrapment defense. The shooting is another issue. The cop is saying it wasn't deliberate, and that's probably true.
- learc83 13y ago
  I don't know the applicable state law, but from the story he was betting 50 dollars on games every Sunday. The cop spent several months pretending to be his friend and convincing him to bet more and more. It seems to me that he would never have bet anywhere near that much without several months of persuasion by the police. Therefore, if it weren't for the cop pressuring him it is very unlikely he would have ever broken that particular law. Granted it's a moot point, because as you say entrapment is a legal defense and the would-be defendant is dead.

Isn't the first story in the article a clear case of entrapment? The cop encouraged the guy to do something and then killed him for it.

by nnnnni 13y ago

Isn't the first story in the article a clear case of entrapment? The cop encouraged the guy to do something and then killed him for it.

mikeash 13y ago

I think we can just call it murder. "Entrapment" implies that the end result was that he was punished in what would have been a lawful way if he had committed the crime of his own accord.

blendergasket 13y ago

Entrapment seems to be a common tactic. The details of most of the arrests of would-be terrorists that they catch in the US are clear cases of entrapment. The FBI/NYPD/some paid informant finds some antisocial/inept guy who's floundering in his life and try to radicalize him and then give him a plan and tools to carry out some terrorist act. Here's one case, but there are many: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/26/taliban-sympathiser-arrest-fbi-informant-tactics http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/26/taliban-sympathi... Pay attention to the details next time you read about a foiled terror plot in the US. A couple of them seem to have been legit but most follow the pattern. [Edit] I became curious about what happened to this guy so I Googled him and found this: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/04/26/alleged-taliban-sympathizing-felon-sent-to-prison-for-shooting-gun/ http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/04/26/alleged-taliban-sy... looks like they threw the book at him and sent him to prison for 8 years for having fired a gun at a firing range. [/Edit]

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tsotha 13y ago

Entrapment laws are a defense from prosecution, and they're different in every state. Normally it's only entrapment if the cop is enticing someone to break a law he wouldn't have broken otherwise. In this case if the guy was betting on games every Sunday the jury probably would have taken a dim view of an entrapment defense. The shooting is another issue. The cop is saying it wasn't deliberate, and that's probably true.

learc83 13y ago
I don't know the applicable state law, but from the story he was betting 50 dollars on games every Sunday. The cop spent several months pretending to be his friend and convincing him to bet more and more. It seems to me that he would never have bet anywhere near that much without several months of persuasion by the police. Therefore, if it weren't for the cop pressuring him it is very unlikely he would have ever broken that particular law. Granted it's a moot point, because as you say entrapment is a legal defense and the would-be defendant is dead.